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Have any of u guys out there seen that infantery AT units with AT-rifles can NOT pierce armor??

At least GE Inf AT can not.

Yea, i noticed same thing, thats why i dont use ATR units anymore...

Im playing the russian Steel campaign,
A hidden ATR did destroy a b-20 armored car.

It would have had to pierce the armor to do that?

Au contraire, ATR's can too penetrate armor!
This goes especially for the Russian PTRD and PTRS rifles. I have had PzIII's taken out by these! They are the best, and is also available in the German OOB as PzB 783(r) and PzB 784(r).

Check the penetration values for the weapon in question, I think you'll find that most ATR's are only good against lightly armored vehicles, and even then it better be a damned good shot.



Marty

German ATRs work fine. I think the problem, for me anyway, was that the stat-sheet for the weapon doesn't have the normal penetration tables that we are used to seeing. But, as Goblin told me a month or so ago, if you look at the max. pen. line on the left-hand column of the info screen you can see that the German ATR has a max pen. of ~32, IIRC. You just don't know how close you need to be to be effective with the weapon. I just try to be as close as possible, no long shots.

Yep, just about any countries AT rifles will work at close range and at "very light" armor. Remember folks - these are heavy rifles not Bazookas or Panzerfausts! These are a hold over from the first world war.......

In a recent PBEM game my opponent immobilized my Tiger with a lucky shot from a Soviet PTRD AT rifle. They're effective on HT's and most AC's also, and since they can be difficult to spot they can be a real nuisance. I'm not so sure about the German ATR's but I never underestimate the Soviet AT rifles!!

Next to HMGs, they are a priority infantry target for me. They disappear so easily and have a nasty habit of popping up and damaging or immobilizing your vehicles.

Originally posted by WhiteRook
Yep, just about any countries AT rifles will work at close range and at "very light" armor. Remember folks - these are heavy rifles not Bazookas or Panzerfausts! These are a hold over from the first world war.......

Don't be so sure about the light armor comment. In a small scenario I built back with v4 and have played since, a German FJ company drops on a Crete airfield that has two Matilda I's for support, I have seen those "useless" at rifles take out a Matilda.

It may take 20-30 shots, but they eventually get that lucky shot that forces a crew to bail or takes out a main gun etc.
thanks, John.

Originally posted by john g


Don't be so sure about the light armor comment. In a small scenario I built back with v4 and have played since, a German FJ company drops on a Crete airfield that has two Matilda I's for support, I have seen those "useless" at rifles take out a Matilda.

It may take 20-30 shots, but they eventually get that lucky shot that forces a crew to bail or takes out a main gun etc.
thanks, John.

Yep thats what I love about this game, just like real life the darnest things can and do happen!

Rook

I kinda like ATR's.

There is a really interesting first-person account from a former Soviet AT-rifleman here:

http://www.iremember.ru/infantry/zimakov/zim1.htm

It's from a pretty neat site about Soviet soldiers in the Great Patriotic War - the home page is here:

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.html

Hope someone else will enjoy it, too.

fud