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ORIGINAL: VSWG

15.7 SPOILAGE
Spoilage (or waste) of fuel and supplies at a base may occur, based on the size of the base. To
determine this possibility, first add the port and airfield sizes. Any base with combined port and
airfield of 10 or more has no spoilage. Otherwise:
»» Fuel over 1000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port +
airfield size ) *2000 ) suffers spoilage.
»» Supplies over 5000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port
+ airfield size ) * 3000 ) suffers spoilage.

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

ORIGINAL: VSWG

15.7 SPOILAGE
Spoilage (or waste) of fuel and supplies at a base may occur, based on the size of the base. To
determine this possibility, first add the port and airfield sizes. Any base with combined port and
airfield of 10 or more has no spoilage. Otherwise:
»» Fuel over 1000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port +
airfield size ) *2000 ) suffers spoilage.
»» Supplies over 5000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port
+ airfield size ) * 3000 ) suffers spoilage.

Thank you for your reply but I don't think that's it. Take a look at some bases, these seem to put a maximum amount for both supplies and fuel, having nothing to due with spoilage. Also, there are numerous bases (eg Perth, Brisbane, Calcutta, Abadan, Madras, Trincomlee) that are less than an aggregate 10 (and subject to spoilage) where these numbers do not show and thus appear not subject to any limitation. Interesting to note however, that any base with a combination port+airbase of nine or more fits into the unlimited category.

Still a mystery!! Where are those in the know. Might have to post under the sticky for bases in the main forum for Joe, Andrew, Mr.T, etc to answer.

Thanks again,

Buck

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

ORIGINAL: VSWG

15.7 SPOILAGE
Spoilage (or waste) of fuel and supplies at a base may occur, based on the size of the base. To
determine this possibility, first add the port and airfield sizes. Any base with combined port and
airfield of 10 or more has no spoilage. Otherwise:
»» Fuel over 1000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port +
airfield size ) *2000 ) suffers spoilage.
»» Supplies over 5000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port
+ airfield size ) * 3000 ) suffers spoilage.

Thank you for your reply but I don't think that's it. Take a look at some bases, these seem to put a maximum amount for both supplies and fuel, having nothing to due with spoilage. Also, there are numerous bases (eg Perth, Brisbane, Calcutta, Abadan, Madras, Trincomlee) that are less than an aggregate 10 (and subject to spoilage) where these numbers do not show and thus appear not subject to any limitation. Interesting to note however, that any base with a combination port+airbase of nine or more fits into the unlimited category.

Still a mystery!! Where are those in the know. Might have to post under the sticky for bases in the main forum for Joe, Andrew, Mr.T, etc to answer.

Thanks again,

Buck

A subsequent patch modified the manual. Spoilage no longer occurs once a base's combined port + airfield reaches 9 (previously 10 as per the manual). The bases you identified will not suffer spoilage if aggregate developement is 9 but they will see supply/fuel auto transferred to their bigger nearby depots.

Alfred

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I'm pretty sure the "Supply Cap" field has to do with limitations on daily received supply in NW Australia and in the border region of Burma (during wet monsoon). Don't know answers to your other questions.

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

Alfred & Smeulders, thanks guys you have cleared up most of my questions.   Still confused as to how to interpret those supply and fuel limits on the screen, but am content to just say those are "under the hood" items having little effect on my play.

Thanks again

Buck 

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Just to clarify, as said above:

- supply cap is the value in brackets (if any) next to daily supply value = daily amount of supply that can move into and via base (can be raised by building AF/Port/Fort size).
- supply and fuel limits = values in base screen upper right side = max amount of supply and fuel that can be stored to base without spoilage. 

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Just to clarify, as said above:

- supply cap is the value in brackets (if any) next to daily supply value = daily amount of supply that can move into and via base (can be raised by building AF/Port/Fort size).
- supply and fuel limits = values in base screen upper right side = max amount of supply and fuel that can be stored to base without spoilage. 

To beat the dead horse just a bit, as this has made a light bulb come on for me as well, in the bolded part above, do you mean parentheses instead of brackets? Are you referring to the line on the top left side of the base info screen captioned "Supplies", and where there is a flow restriction it has additionally, "(max ___") with a number in the blank?

If so, I now realize much better why Imphal won't build supplies. In fact, most of NE India, despite being on railroads, is starved on that "max" number. I had been focusing on the top right-side numbers which I now know are spoilage related. I had thought those were flow numbers, post-patch.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Just to clarify, as said above:

- supply cap is the value in brackets (if any) next to daily supply value = daily amount of supply that can move into and via base (can be raised by building AF/Port/Fort size).
- supply and fuel limits = values in base screen upper right side = max amount of supply and fuel that can be stored to base without spoilage. 

To beat the dead horse just a bit, as this has made a light bulb come on for me as well, in the bolded part above, do you mean parentheses instead of brackets? Are you referring to the line on the top left side of the base info screen captioned "Supplies", and where there is a flow restriction it has additionally, "(max ___") with a number in the blank?

If so, I now realize much better why Imphal won't build supplies. In fact, most of NE India, despite being on railroads, is starved on that "max" number. I had been focusing on the top right-side numbers which I now know are spoilage related. I had thought those were flow numbers, post-patch.

Yes. And as you build fortifications, airfields, and ports the cap increases.

Note also that part of India is fed by limited rail capacity (use the Y key to see what I mean).

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58



To beat the dead horse just a bit, as this has made a light bulb come on for me as well, in the bolded part above, do you mean parentheses instead of brackets? Are you referring to the line on the top left side of the base info screen captioned "Supplies", and where there is a flow restriction it has additionally, "(max ___") with a number in the blank?

If so, I now realize much better why Imphal won't build supplies. In fact, most of NE India, despite being on railroads, is starved on that "max" number. I had been focusing on the top right-side numbers which I now know are spoilage related. I had thought those were flow numbers, post-patch.

Yes. And as you build fortifications, airfields, and ports the cap increases.

Note also that part of India is fed by limited rail capacity (use the Y key to see what I mean).

Thanks. The notation is a bit confusing since organic supply generation, such as in some Chinese bases, uses a slash I believe, and no transport in is necessary.

I've used the Y key there, and I don't see what you mean, really. If it was narrow-guage RR I can easily see that there would be less capacity, but is 300 tons a day on even a small railway too much? I'm not up on my railroad tech, but that seems like a very few cars.

ORIGINAL: Alfred


The supply transportation cost per major railroad hex is 1 whereas it is 2 per minor railroad hex. And before you ask, the cost per main road hex is 3, secondary road it is 5 and for trail it is 10.

Alfred