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Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:19 pm
by Shark7
OK, been trying my hand at ship sides. Granted I'm still not great at it, but I think I'm getting to the point that it is at least usable. I'll let you be the judge.
First up ACR Ibuki:

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:34 pm
by Shark7
And Asahi in the AS/AR, Torpedo Depot Ship configuration:

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:43 pm
by Shark7
And one more for now Scout Cruiser Chikuma:

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:20 pm
by MateDow
Those are really nice looking and a better than I can do from scratch. I can make OK ones using cut and paste of other people's work, but that is about the extent of it.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:27 pm
by Shark7
ACR Asama:

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:31 pm
by Local Yokel
Looks like you are backtracking into War Plan Orange territory with these!
Good to see Asahi getting some attention, but if you'll forgive me for being critical, I think you have her still looking too much like her battleship incarnation rather than as a repair/depot ship. For that you need to suppress the forward stack and main battery, and immediately abaft the mainmast add a deckhouse that could easily be mistaken for an aft-facing bridge. Booms slung off main- and foremasts rather than off a separate kingpost would complete the picture.
If you've seen the port side view of her in Jentschura you'll be aware of the prominent lifting frame she carried amidships on that side. Jentschura has it that these frames were fitted on both sides, but I have a photograph taken from starboard in which the corresponding frame for that side is nowhere to be seen. Moreover, the shot shows what appears to be a gun turret in the position of the original 'A' turret, but of substantially smaller calibre - the appearance of this is reminiscent of the 6" batteries fitted to the Mogamis as light cruisers, but in reality was probably a smaller calibre weapon.
Mmm... so far I've only been doing artwork for some additional Japanese merchant ships, but this is encouraging me to turn my hand to some more warships too - thanks!
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:43 pm
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: Local Yokel
Looks like you are backtracking into War Plan Orange territory with these!
Good to see Asahi getting some attention, but if you'll forgive me for being critical, I think you have her still looking too much like her battleship incarnation rather than as a repair/depot ship. For that you need to suppress the forward stack and main battery, and immediately abaft the mainmast add a deckhouse that could easily be mistaken for an aft-facing bridge. Booms slung off main- and foremasts rather than off a separate kingpost would complete the picture.
If you've seen the port side view of her in Jentschura you'll be aware of the prominent lifting frame she carried amidships on that side. Jentschura has it that these frames were fitted on both sides, but I have a photograph taken from starboard in which the corresponding frame for that side is nowhere to be seen. Moreover, the shot shows what appears to be a gun turret in the position of the original 'A' turret, but of substantially smaller calibre - the appearance of this is reminiscent of the 6" batteries fitted to the Mogamis as light cruisers, but in reality was probably a smaller calibre weapon.
Mmm... so far I've only been doing artwork for some additional Japanese merchant ships, but this is encouraging me to turn my hand to some more warships too - thanks!
I don't mind the critisism, I can't get better if no one tells me what I got wrong. [:)]
I wonder, I did not have a good clean picture to go from for Asahi, and took a bit of 'artistic license'. That I had to do what I thought. I do know that in the 30s she had wooden 'turrets' put back on so she looked like an old BB again. I wonder if those might have been removed by the start of WWII.
Basically, this is the only decent picture I could find of her in AR/AS/Depot Ship configuration, which is obviously not a good side view.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/Asahi_c.htm
If you can point me to a better reference, I can get a better looking (read more accurate) art side. Since I have all the originals saved, making changes is fairly easy.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:09 pm
by Shark7
And here is Take 2 on Asahi with Local Yokel's suggestions:

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:16 pm
by Local Yokel
There's a not very good shot of her
here at the Naval Historical Centre, and an interesting
Wikimedia Commons view from her starboard quarter showing
two lifting frames on that side.
Still trying to locate the source of the photograph taken on her starboard beam. If anyone knows the photograph I mean, it's the one with a Kuma class light cruiser in the background.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:19 pm
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: Local Yokel
There's a not very good shot of her
here at the Naval Historical Centre, and an interesting
Wikimedia Commons view from her starboard quarter showing
two lifting frames on that side.
Still trying to locate the source of the photograph taken on her starboard beam. If anyone knows the photograph I mean, it's the one with a Kuma class light cruiser in the background.
That's at least better than what I had. I now see the big lift hoists you were talking about...those things are pretty massive. A take 3 will no doubt be forthcoming.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:11 am
by Shark7
OK, after finding some half decent pics, I've come up with a 3rd rendition of Asahi. This is going to be pretty close to her 1941 look as best I can tell.

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 am
by Local Yokel
Much better! Here's my take, a .bmp masquerading as a jpg:
<edit>...and so to bed.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:40 am
by redcoat
Another photo of Asahi. Sorry my scan is a bit wonky.

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:40 am
by Shark7
I still need practice, your's it much more refined. [;)] But at least I'm starting to get there.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:42 am
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: redcoat
Another photo of Asahi. Sorry my scan is a bit wonky.
That was what was needed. Looks like I'm pretty closes with my 3rd rendition.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:47 am
by Shark7
Last two before sleep, Kisagi (top) Azuma (Bottom):

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:48 pm
by Shark7
And time to introduce one the really old, really small DDs: Ikazuchi Class 1899
the .jpgs really don't look as good as the in game bitmaps. [:(]

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:15 pm
by oldman45
Well its better than I could ever do!! Looks fine to me.
RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:19 pm
by Shark7
DD Sakura:

RE: Shark7's Little sketchpad
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:21 pm
by Shark7
ACR Kasuga:
