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Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:33 pm
by PAWMatrix
Hello,
Looking for Range in Nautical Miles for these subs.
Holland Class
No.1 - No.5
8kts (Surfaced)/7kts (Submerged)
Kaigun-Holland Class
No.6 - No.7
8.5kts/4kts
C1 Vickers Class
No.8-No.9
12kts/8.5kts
C2 Vickers Class
No.10-No.12
12kts/8.5kts
VK Class
No.13
10.8kts/8kts
S1 Class
No.14-No.15
17kts/10kts 2050nm/60nm at 10 kts/4kts
Thx!
PAW
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:16 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Hello,
Looking for Range in Nautical Miles for these subs.
Holland Class
No.1 - No.5
8kts (Surfaced)/7kts (Submerged) - 184nm
Kaigun-Holland Class
No.6 - No.7
8.5kts/4kts - 184nm
C1 Vickers Class
No.8-No.9
12kts/8.5kts - 660nm
C2 Vickers Class
No.10-No.12
12kts/8.5kts - 660nm
VK Class
No.13
10.8kts/8kts - 660nm
S1 Class
No.14-No.15
17kts/10kts 2050nm/60nm at 10 kts/4kts
Thx!
PAW
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:38 am
by PAWMatrix
Terminus,
We must have the same book. I am not convinced, as those ranges are at max speed according to my book.
Upon further reading C1, C2 & C3 classes were all from the British 'C' Class.
Under that I find Range 1000 nm at 8.75 kts surfaced. Which makes sense.
12kts max for 660nm, And then 1000nm for 8.75kts.
Holland, Kaigun-Holland are listing those ranges at max speed.
For most ships a reduced speed gives them their range.
Does that make sense?
PAW
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:37 am
by Mac Linehan
ORIGINAL: PAWMatrix
Terminus,
We must have the same book. I am not convinced, as those ranges are at max speed according to my book.
Upon further reading C1, C2 & C3 classes were all from the British 'C' Class.
Under that I find Range 1000 nm at 8.75 kts surfaced. Which makes sense.
12kts max for 660nm, And then 1000nm for 8.75kts.
Holland, Kaigun-Holland are listing those ranges at max speed.
For most ships a reduced speed gives them their range.
Does that make sense?
PAW
PAWMATRIX -
Am always expanding my reading list, would you please tell me the name and author of the book in question?
Thank You Sir!
Mac
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:51 am
by PAWMatrix
Conway's All the Worlds Fighting Ships 1906-1921
There is also a 1922-1946 and a 1860-1905.
Own all three.
PAW
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:55 am
by DuckofTindalos
There's FOUR volumes of Conway's.
Anyway, if those ranges don't work for you, you have two options:
- Make the boat's speed rating conform to the range figures you have, or
- Adjust the range rating to suit the speed figures.
Since it's a relatively safe bet that the two are linearly linked, a simple percentage calculation should be enough.
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:24 pm
by Mac Linehan
ORIGINAL: PAWMatrix
Conway's All the Worlds Fighting Ships 1906-1921
There is also a 1922-1946 and a 1860-1905.
Own all three.
PAW
PAWMatrix and Terminus -
Thank You! Good Stuff - I will add it to my :buy" list.
Mac
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:05 pm
by DuckofTindalos
It's probably out of print, but can be found in pre-used form. That's how I got all of mine.
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:55 am
by PAWMatrix
Terminus,
I agree. Thanks, calculating it seems best.
PAW
RE: Early Jap Subs
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:46 pm
by MateDow
The 1922-1946 is available from Naval Institute Press (
Naval Institute) and also Amazon. These are new copies. The others are used. My favorite site for used books is Abebooks.com, but Amazon also has a used book search feature.