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NSY vs MSY
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:12 am
by PaxMondo
Does anyone have a reference list of what ship class is built in which Shipyard? Some are quite obvious ... others less so. Thanks for the help.
1 CVB NSY
2 CV NSY
3 CVL NSY
4 CVE NSY
5 BB NSY
6 BC NSY
7 CB NSY
8 CA NSY
9 CL NSY
10 CLAA NSY
11 CS NSY
12 DD NSY
13 DE
14 TB
15 E
16 PG
17 PF
18 KV
19 PC
20 PB
21 SC
22 PT
23 MTB
24 MGB
25 ML
26 SS
27 SST
28 SSX
29 AMC
30 CM
31 CMc
32 DM
33 DMS
34 AM
35 AS
36 AD
37 AV
38 AVD
39 AVP
40 AR
41 ARD
42 AGP
43 AG
44 AO
45 AE
46 AGC
47 APA
48 LSI(L)
49 LSI(M)
50 LSI(S)
51 APD
52 AKA
53 LSD
54 LSV
55 AP
56 AK
57 AKV
58 AKE
59 AKL
60 TK
61 LST
62 LCI
63 LCI(G)
64 LCI(M)
65 LCI(R)
66 LSM
67 LSM(R)
68 LCM
69 LCT
70 LB
71 LCVP
72 LCS(L)
73 YO
74 ACM
75 YMS
76 YP
77 HDML
78 APc MSY
79 AMc MSY
80 xAP MSY
81 xAPc MSY
82 xAK MSY
83 xAKL MSY
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:25 pm
by Bullwinkle58
USN subs were pretty limited. From memory just Mare Island, Electric Boat in Groton, CT, Portsmouth NSY, Cramp Shipbuilding in Pennsylvania, and Manitowoc, WI.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:05 pm
by oldman45
Your landing craft were built all over the US, they will be awful hard to pin down. Kiaser (SP?) build a large number of the AK's (liberty ships) out in California but almost any port with open slips built them too. We had them built here in Jacksonville Fl. Most of your yards that built the xAK, AK, Lxx they are all closed and might be a bear to track down.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:36 pm
by Nomad
A lot of LSTs were built on rivers in the middle of the USA( Ohil, Indiana? ).
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:47 pm
by vettim89
ORIGINAL: Nomad
A lot of LSTs were built on rivers in the middle of the USA( Ohil, Indiana? ).
Many ships that could be lifted were built on the Great Lakes then lifted to the Ohio River or Mississippi River en route to NOLA.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:35 am
by Dereck
The Supplement and General Index (Vol. XV) of History of United Stated Naval Operations in World War II has a listing of ship classes and for most of them the shipyards where the individual ships were built.
For instance the two Lexington class carriers were built by the Fore River Shipbuilding Co., (Quincy, MA) and the New York Shipbuilding Co. and the battleship California was built at the Mare Island Navy Yard.
You can also check out these web sites:
www.history.navy.mil/photos/shusn-no
www.history.navy.mil/danfs/index.html
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:48 am
by PaxMondo
Thanks for the inputs. You guys went a bit deeper than I intended.
I'm trying to determine which ship classes in WitPAE are built in Naval Shipyards (NSY) as opposed to Merchant shipyards (MSY) so that I can plan my ship building accordingly.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:20 pm
by Dereck
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Thanks for the inputs. You guys went a bit deeper than I intended.
I'm trying to determine which ship classes in WitPAE are built in Naval Shipyards (NSY) as opposed to Merchant shipyards (MSY) so that I can plan my ship building accordingly.
That may not really be possible on the ship class level. A lot of classes (if not most) had ships built both by Naval Shipyards and civilian shipyards.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:38 pm
by Captain Cruft
Pax,
It looks like you should have put a big "In-game, when playing Japan" in the subject title ...
Anyway, here is the scoop, as I understand it:-
Naval = CV, CVL, BB, CA, CL, DD, SS
Merchant = CVE + PC + SC + All tenders + All transports + All minesweepers/minelayers
That leaves CS & E which I am not sure about, and I may be wrong about some of the above too.
What's weird is that this was in the WitP manual but doesn't seem to be in the AE one. Or maybe I'm just blind ...
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:08 pm
by Ol_Dog
During World War II, the Evansville, Indiana, riverfront was transformed into a 45-acre (180,000 m2) shipyard to produce LSTs. At its peak, the Evansville Shipyard employed a workforce of over 19,000 and completed two of these massive ships per week, becoming the largest inland producer of LSTs in the nation. Although the Evansville Shipyard was originally contracted to produce 24 ships, 167 LSTs and 35 other vessels were built in Evansville. LST-325 is now home ported in Evansville as a memorial museum to LSTs and the city's war effort.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:33 pm
by PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft
Pax,
It looks like you should have put a big "In-game, when playing Japan" in the subject title ...
Yep. Hindsight is 20/20.
ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft
Anyway, here is the scoop, as I understand it:-
Naval = CV, CVL, BB, CA, CL, DD, SS
Merchant = CVE + PC + SC + All tenders + All transports + All minesweepers/minelayers
That leaves CS & E which I am not sure about, and I may be wrong about some of the above too.
What's weird is that this was in the WitP manual but doesn't seem to be in the AE one. Or maybe I'm just blind ...
Ahhh, it was the smaller ships, the SC's and E's that I was really not sure about ... they are so small, hard to tell. Thanks!
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:44 pm
by Captain Cruft
I bet using Tracker would help clear up the uncertainties here ...
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:08 pm
by Captain Cruft
Tracker does indeed reveal all.
Naval Shipyards produce:-
CV, CVL, BB, CA, CL, DD
E, APD, SC
CM, CMc
MGB, MTB, ML
SS, SST, SSX
Merchant Shipyards produce everything else.
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:08 am
by PaxMondo
THANKS! I thought of that myself just an hour ago ... better late than never!
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:06 am
by n01487477
From tracker code these are the types for Naval builds (this was tested a long time ago so unless there has been changes it still applies)... sorry not got enough time to make it readable.
if (type == 1|| type ==2 || type == 3 || type ==5 || type == 6 || type == 7 ||
type == 8|| type ==9 || type == 10 || type == 12|| type == 13 || type == 14 || type == 15 ||type == 16 || type == 17 || type == 19 || type == 21 || type == 22 || type == 23 || type ==24|| type == 25 || type == 26 || type == 27 || type ==28|| type ==30|| type == 31 || type == 32 || type == 33 || type ==38 || type == 39 || type == 51)
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Does anyone have a reference list of what ship class is built in which Shipyard? Some are quite obvious ... others less so. Thanks for the help.
1 CVB NSY
2 CV NSY
3 CVL NSY
4 CVE NSY --> MSY
5 BB NSY
6 BC NSY
7 CB NSY
8 CA NSY
9 CL NSY
10 CLAA NSY
11 CS NSY
12 DD NSY
13 DE
14 TB
15 E
16 PG
17 PF
18 KV
19 PC
20 PB
21 SC
22 PT
23 MTB
24 MGB
25 ML
26 SS
27 SST
28 SSX
29 AMC
30 CM
31 CMc
32 DM
33 DMS
34 AM
35 AS
36 AD
37 AV
38 AVD
39 AVP
40 AR
41 ARD
42 AGP
43 AG
44 AO
45 AE
46 AGC
47 APA
48 LSI(L)
49 LSI(M)
50 LSI(S)
51 APD
52 AKA
53 LSD
54 LSV
55 AP
56 AK
57 AKV
58 AKE
59 AKL
60 TK
61 LST
62 LCI
63 LCI(G)
64 LCI(M)
65 LCI(R)
66 LSM
67 LSM(R)
68 LCM
69 LCT
70 LB
71 LCVP
72 LCS(L)
73 YO
74 ACM
75 YMS
76 YP
77 HDML
78 APc MSY
79 AMc MSY
80 xAP MSY
81 xAPc MSY
82 xAK MSY
83 xAKL MSY
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:38 pm
by PaxMondo
Perfectly readable for me. THANKS!
RE: NSY vs MSY
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:55 pm
by oldman45
Try this, I found it but have not spent anytime on it yet. Perhaps it will be helpful.
http://shipbuildinghistory.com/