Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:46 am
Here's an interesting and historically famous ship that could use it's own artwork. Anyone up for tackling this one?
http://www.lenzi.ch/swiss-ships/bericht ... ems_en.htm
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Here's an interesting and historically famous ship that could use it's own artwork. Anyone up for tackling this one?
http://www.lenzi.ch/swiss-ships/bericht ... ems_en.htm
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:39 pm
This is the "neutral" Swiss firm that was building the hydraulic systems for the U-Boots. Just take a look at the firm names on the equipment inside the U-505 at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:58 pm
Didn't know about anything Swiss.
Don Isidro is famous for a standoff between Britain and the U.S. when two german engineers helping with delivery of Don Isidro (to Philippine and there US flagged owners) at Suez.
And again for a failed attempt to run supplies to the Philippines in early 1942.
Love to have AE artwork for her.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:36 pm
Brown, Boveri & Co along with Sulzer, both referenced in the link you gave, were two Swiss firms that developed marine engines and hydraulic systems. They did a lot of work for the Germans during WWII.
Oerlikon, another Swiss company, fortunately provided the full plans just as the war started for the famous 20mm AA gun that shows up on almost all the Allied ships.
Oerlikon, another Swiss company, fortunately provided the full plans just as the war started for the famous 20mm AA gun that shows up on almost all the Allied ships.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:57 pm
Not sure that I have captured the essence of her (him?), but anyway, here's my attempt. Bit different from Germaniawerft's better known output!
Only having that three-quarters shot makes this a bit of a challenge, and I had to assume she had about the same dimensions as Don Esteban.
Couldn't find details of the house colours for De La Rama ships, so I've assumed that blue is the dark component of her funnel colours, matching the De La Rama house flag.
Came across this link in my researches. If anyone happens by Bathurst Island anytime soon, seems they may catch a glimpse of her in her final resting place.
Brown Boveri were content to sell to Allied countries too. In 1940 the Great Western Railway placed an order with them for a locomotive in which a gas turbine powered electric traction motors. This, the first gas turbine on a British railway, was retired from service in 1960 and the turbine removed. The shell of the locomotive has found its way back into this country, and I believe can currently be seen at Toddington in Gloucestershire.
Only having that three-quarters shot makes this a bit of a challenge, and I had to assume she had about the same dimensions as Don Esteban.
Couldn't find details of the house colours for De La Rama ships, so I've assumed that blue is the dark component of her funnel colours, matching the De La Rama house flag.
Came across this link in my researches. If anyone happens by Bathurst Island anytime soon, seems they may catch a glimpse of her in her final resting place.
Brown Boveri were content to sell to Allied countries too. In 1940 the Great Western Railway placed an order with them for a locomotive in which a gas turbine powered electric traction motors. This, the first gas turbine on a British railway, was retired from service in 1960 and the turbine removed. The shell of the locomotive has found its way back into this country, and I believe can currently be seen at Toddington in Gloucestershire.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:29 pm
Interesting, historically famous, and damn good looking too.ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Here's an interesting and historically famous ship that could use it's own artwork. Anyone up for tackling this one?
MV Don Isidro, built/launched FKG A.G., Kiel, 1939, diesel powered, twin screw, 321’ lpp, 337’ loa, 3197 GRT, 7,000 shp (Buechl VT-590 turbocharged diesel), 21kts. de la Rama & Co (de la Rama Steamship Co) (de la Rama – Osmena & Co). Sistership MV Don Esteban.
Had a Euro-style, semi-clipper, raked stem, a typically German (and utterly beautiful) soft-s sheer, and a classical cruiser stern. Small, single stack, 2 (3 ton) kingposts forward for bulk items and up to 6 motor vehicles in hold #1.
Internet just gives the same picture as you got, but maybe can get a better profile from elsewhere. Looks a lot like some stuff Germaniawerft made for the Baltic trade in the mid 30s. Will look hard.
[ed] should have a decent profile shot of Don esteban tomorrow. Fingers crossed. btw, house colors for the stack were blue-white-blue, with a thin red band at the the tippy top.
Ciao. J
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:34 pm
"typically German (and utterly beautiful) soft-s sheer, and a classical cruiser stern"ORIGINAL: JWE
Interesting, historically famous, and damn good looking too.ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Here's an interesting and historically famous ship that could use it's own artwork. Anyone up for tackling this one?
MV Don Isidro, built/launched FKG A.G., Kiel, 1939, diesel powered, twin screw, 321’ lpp, 337’ loa, 3197 GRT, 7,000 shp (Buechl VT-590 turbocharged diesel), 21kts. de la Rama & Co (de la Rama Steamship Co) (de la Rama – Osmena & Co). Sistership MV Don Esteban.
Had a Euro-style, semi-clipper, raked stem, a typically German (and utterly beautiful) soft-s sheer, and a classical cruiser stern. Small, single stack, 2 (3 ton) kingposts forward for bulk items and up to 6 motor vehicles in hold #1.
Internet just gives the same picture as you got, but maybe can get a better profile from elsewhere. Looks a lot like some stuff Germaniawerft made for the Baltic trade in the mid 30s. Will look hard.
[ed] should have a decent profile shot of Don esteban tomorrow. Fingers crossed. btw, house colors for the stack were blue-white-blue, with a thin red band at the the tippy top.
Ciao. J
I sense your getting excited!!
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:36 pm
US Army Ships and Watercraft of World War II has a full broadside picture of Don Esteban.
It also has specs for both Don Esteban and Don Isidro, and the latter appears to be much larger.
Don Esteban: 267 x 37 x 18 feet. 1.616 tons, 2 8-cyl diesel/3,500 hp, Krupp, Kiel 1936.
Don Isidro: 321 x 46 x 20 feet. 3.261 tons, 2 9-cyl diesel/(no HP figure), Krupp, Kiel, 1939.
Don Isidro may be the big brother of Don Esteban.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:37 pm
ORIGINAL: Local Yokel
Not sure that I have captured the essence of her (him?), but anyway, here's my attempt. Bit different from Germaniawerft's better known output!
Only having that three-quarters shot makes this a bit of a challenge, and I had to assume she had about the same dimensions as Don Esteban.
Couldn't find details of the house colours for De La Rama ships, so I've assumed that blue is the dark component of her funnel colours, matching the De La Rama house flag.
Came across this link in my researches. If anyone happens by Bathurst Island anytime soon, seems they may catch a glimpse of her in her final resting place.
Brown Boveri were content to sell to Allied countries too. In 1940 the Great Western Railway placed an order with them for a locomotive in which a gas turbine powered electric traction motors. This, the first gas turbine on a British railway, was retired from service in 1960 and the turbine removed. The shell of the locomotive has found its way back into this country, and I believe can currently be seen at Toddington in Gloucestershire.
Damn your good Local (and fast too)! Hope JWE finds a better profile for you to compare it too.
Buck
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:43 pm
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
US Army Ships and Watercraft of World War II has a full broadside picture of Don Esteban.
It also has specs for both Don Esteban and Don Isidro, and the latter appears to be much larger.
Don Esteban: 267 x 37 x 18 feet. 1.616 tons, 2 8-cyl diesel/3,500 hp, Krupp, Kiel 1936.
Don Isidro: 321 x 46 x 20 feet. 3.261 tons, 2 9-cyl diesel/(no HP figure), Krupp, Kiel, 1939.
Don Isidro may be the big brother of Don Esteban.
US Army Ships and Watercraft of World War II
You got a bitchin library Don. Price of the book is way over my budget. Even used (which I normally spend my bucks on) is almost $90.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:23 pm
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
US Army Ships and Watercraft of World War II has a full broadside picture of Don Esteban.
It also has specs for both Don Esteban and Don Isidro, and the latter appears to be much larger.
Don Esteban: 267 x 37 x 18 feet. 1.616 tons, 2 8-cyl diesel/3,500 hp, Krupp, Kiel 1936.
Don Isidro: 321 x 46 x 20 feet. 3.261 tons, 2 9-cyl diesel/(no HP figure), Krupp, Kiel, 1939.
Don Isidro may be the big brother of Don Esteban.
Oh bugger! Back to the drawing board...
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:49 pm
OK, stretched Don Isidro:
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:26 am
Found another useful picture of the Don in burned out condition in the AWM photographic collection, number 134964. This gives a lot of extra information about the layout of the awnings aft, and has prompted revision 3 below. Hope this is getting closer.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:13 pm
Thank You!
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:28 pm
You are most welcome!
Zipfile attached with the two bitmap representations.
Zipfile attached with the two bitmap representations.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:37 pm
This one from the AWM seemed even better than the one of the damaged Don. Photo no. 303204
Photo taken Dec. 24, 1941 according to the caption on the website.
Link here: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/303204
Photo taken Dec. 24, 1941 according to the caption on the website.
Link here: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/303204
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:43 pm
And here is Don Esteban (unfortunately with stern outside of shot). AWM photo no 303203
Link: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/303203
Link: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/303203
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:57 pm
Nice shot of the Don! It seems that my proportions were not far adrift.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:09 pm
Looks like Don Isidro might need one more pixel line of height, with an additional row of portholes along the main deck.
There is artwork for Don Esteban in Da Babes.
RE: Don Isidro Artwork
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:12 pm
ORIGINAL: Pascal
Brown, Boveri & Co along with Sulzer, both referenced in the link you gave, were two Swiss firms that developed marine engines and hydraulic systems. They did a lot of work for the Germans during WWII.
Oerlikon, another Swiss company, fortunately provided the full plans just as the war started for the famous 20mm AA gun that shows up on almost all the Allied ships.
Brown, Boveri worked on an experimental Gas Turbine locomotive for the Great Western Railway (Later BR Western Region) and Sulzer supplied diesel engines for various locomotives in the UK in the 1950's & 60's after the 1955 modernisation plan was finally put in to full swing. Several survive in preservation.