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Recent reports indicate that bin Laden has been killed by a Navy Seal op team:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... ad/?hpt=T1

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Yes but they should have cremated the body and then buried the ashes at sea. I wonder if bin Laden ever read Sura 19:71&72.

Proof and evidence? Missing.. Fortunately he got "thrown" into the sea immediately after.. Quite a trip from Attobad to the sea.. 1900 km...

Just like Gadhaffi is giving his troops Viagra, right? [8|]
 
Even if he was, it makes no difference in anything. Al-Qaeda and its spin-offs have become far too powerful.

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Just like Gadhaffi is giving his troops Viagra, right? [8|]

Even if he was, it makes no difference in anything. Al-Qaeda and its spin-offs have become far too powerful.

This was monumentally important dude. No, it's not over but this is the first significant victory in this 'war on terror' in almost 10 years, 5000 American soldiers killed, and a ruinous to the economy trillion and a half dollars spent(largely thanks to the previous administration's strategy). I figure this to be the typical republican reaction. This country is so divided there will be no more than half of the country celebrating anything anymore.

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Just like Gadhaffi is giving his troops Viagra, right? [8|]

Even if he was, it makes no difference in anything. Al-Qaeda and its spin-offs have become far too powerful.

This was monumentally important dude. No, it's not over but this is the first significant victory in this 'war on terror' in almost 10 years, 5000 American soldiers killed, and a ruinous to the economy trillion and a half dollars spent(largely thanks to the previous administration's strategy).

As you intimate, this is a kind of moral victory, and a Pyrhhic one at that.

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I figure this to be the typical republican reaction. This country is so divided there will be no more than half of the country celebrating anything anymore.

I'm not a Republican, that's just the kind of guy I am. Not much into celebration.

Anybody made a TOAW scenario already? [8D]

Well one thing's for sure.  This wouldn't have happened except for the previous administration's intelligence strategy, something the present administration abhors yet took advantage of and is claiming all the credit.

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Well one thing's for sure.  This wouldn't have happened except for the previous administration's intelligence strategy, something the present administration abhors yet took advantage of and is claiming all the credit.

Neither of us will write(or rewrite) the history on this. But you can't fudge these numbers, as in dollars, lives, and limbs lost -not to mention the collateral damage, along with years spent to achieve this result. And while the generals in the field were able to evolve/change the mission objective, the original mission objective did not change. This is not the Iran/Contra scandal -too many lives and treasury dollars have been lost. Yet you are certain of the results of this 'intelligence strategy'? If you were, you wouldn't be posting it here.

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Well one thing's for sure.  This wouldn't have happened except for the previous administration's intelligence strategy, something the present administration abhors yet took advantage of and is claiming all the credit.

Neither of us will write(or rewrite) the history on this. But you can't fudge these numbers, as in dollars, lives, and limbs lost -not to mention the collateral damage, along with years spent to achieve this result. And while the generals in the field were able to evolve/change the mission objective, the original mission objective did not change. This is not the Iran/Contra scandal -too many lives and treasury dollars have been lost. Yet you are certain of the results of this 'intelligence strategy'? If you were, you wouldn't be posting it here.

Actually the intelligence contribution is established. The war was the result of a direct attack against our country. That is in contrast to the Democrat's war of course, Vietnam. And maybe you can explain why we're in Libya?

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Actually the intelligence contribution is established. The war was the result of a direct attack against our country. That is in contrast to the Democrat's war of course, Vietnam. And maybe you can explain why we're in Libya?

Dude, your pants are on fire. This has NOT been established. Vietnam was a failure, and there should have been a lesson to be learned regarding loss of life and treasury in propping up an unpopular, unstable nation if for the damage it did to the US economy alone. But not only did Nixon fail to learn the lesson, Bush 2 then repeated the same stupidity. Personally I'm more forgiving of a first blunder than I am an identical second one.

Finally: Osama's watery grave captured on video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfF1vkMQ0h0

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Actually the intelligence contribution is established. The war was the result of a direct attack against our country. That is in contrast to the Democrat's war of course, Vietnam. And maybe you can explain why we're in Libya?

Dude, your pants are on fire. This has NOT been established. Vietnam was a failure, and there should have been a lesson to be learned regarding loss of life and treasury in propping up an unpopular, unstable nation if for the damage it did to the US economy alone. But not only did Nixon fail to learn the lesson, Bush 2 then repeated the same stupidity. Personally I'm more forgiving of a first blunder than I am an identical second one.

Dude it has been established. The mistake wasn't that we went in (well, Vietnam was a mistake going in), the mistake was that we fought Afghanistan (and continue to do so)and Iraq the way we fought Vietnam. If we're going to war it needs to be to win and not pussyfoot around. With Vietnam, Afghanistan (which is now the US longest war) and Iraq that's what we've been doing. Are you saying we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11?

And you still haven't explained what we're doing in Libya.

Actually the intelligence contribution is established

The intelligence contribution to what exactly? Maybe you two are misunderstanding each other.

Apart from that, what makes you so sure?

'Intelligence agencies' are by nature non-transparent organisations. So, if you follow this line, and adding common sense, you may well realize that official announcements/publications/press notes by and from such organisations - be it by themselves or through government/administration channels - might not be the trust-worthiest source. It might not hurt to read something about and to deal with the subject of intelligence agencies. I mean, we're not talking about the salvation army..

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Actually the intelligence contribution is established. The war was the result of a direct attack against our country. That is in contrast to the Democrat's war of course, Vietnam. And maybe you can explain why we're in Libya?

Dude, your pants are on fire. This has NOT been established. Vietnam was a failure, and there should have been a lesson to be learned regarding loss of life and treasury in propping up an unpopular, unstable nation if for the damage it did to the US economy alone. But not only did Nixon fail to learn the lesson, Bush 2 then repeated the same stupidity. Personally I'm more forgiving of a first blunder than I am an identical second one.

Dude it has been established. The mistake wasn't that we went in (well, Vietnam was a mistake going in), the mistake was that we fought Afghanistan (and continue to do so)and Iraq the way we fought Vietnam. If we're going to war it needs to be to win and not pussyfoot around. With Vietnam, Afghanistan (which is now the US longest war) and Iraq that's what we've been doing. Are you saying we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11?

And you still haven't explained what we're doing in Libya.

First of all we're not IN Libya, but we're not really in disagreement over A-stan. Yes, the problem is that we stayed. There's been a major effort undertaken to spread the lie that finding Bin Laden is directly resultant from waterboarding KSM, and it's simply not true. KSM never gave the truth about the courier. The exact story has not been revealed yet, so I won't go so far as to say it WONT ever be established. But the fact is no one knows yet.

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Dude, your pants are on fire. This has NOT been established. Vietnam was a failure, and there should have been a lesson to be learned regarding loss of life and treasury in propping up an unpopular, unstable nation if for the damage it did to the US economy alone. But not only did Nixon fail to learn the lesson, Bush 2 then repeated the same stupidity. Personally I'm more forgiving of a first blunder than I am an identical second one.

Dude it has been established. The mistake wasn't that we went in (well, Vietnam was a mistake going in), the mistake was that we fought Afghanistan (and continue to do so)and Iraq the way we fought Vietnam. If we're going to war it needs to be to win and not pussyfoot around. With Vietnam, Afghanistan (which is now the US longest war) and Iraq that's what we've been doing. Are you saying we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11?

And you still haven't explained what we're doing in Libya.

First of all we're not IN Libya, but we're not really in disagreement over A-stan. Yes, the problem is that we stayed. There's been a major effort undertaken to spread the lie that finding Bin Laden is directly resultant from waterboarding KSM, and it's simply not true. KSM never gave the truth about the courier. The exact story has not been revealed yet, so I won't go so far as to say it WONT ever be established. But the fact is no one knows yet.

The Obama administration is very reluctant to admit waterboarding assisted in finding bin Laden for two reasons. It is diametrically opposed to that kind of interrogation and doesn't want to give it any credence. And that kind of intel would give some credit to Bush and Obama has gone out of his way to take all the credit. The media of course has gone along so you need to read a bit deeper to find the info on this.

We might not be IN Libya but we're there. What in the world are we doing there? Why is it so important that we're there and not doing the same thing in Syria where the situation is equally as bad? How can Obama's foreign policy be anything but a mess? And how did he get the Nobel peace prize?

Yes, The Crumbling Roman Empire.

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Why is it so important that we're there and not doing the same thing in Syria where the situation is equally as bad?

There is still a Russia and China you know. An America that romped about invading every nation that had an uprising would not be an America I want to be part of. You have to pick your fights. You can't be everyplace at the same time. This country is a democracy. War weariness is setting in. It is boardering on war exhaustion. I was amazed when the First Clown decided to take on the Libya 'problem'. He's a worse war monger than most Conservatives.

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How can Obama's foreign policy be anything but a mess? And how did he get the Nobel peace prize?

Same way Al Gore got one. Nobel prizes are heavily leaned towards liberals simply because of location. A Euro liberal would make a U.S. liberal look like a devout Conservative. He also made some lip flapping actions about ending wars. As with Al Gore, the votes were made before the facts were found.

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The Obama administration is very reluctant to admit waterboarding assisted in finding bin Laden for two reasons. It is diametrically opposed to that kind of interrogation and doesn't want to give it any credence. And that kind of intel would give some credit to Bush and Obama has gone out of his way to take all the credit. The media of course has gone along so you need to read a bit deeper to find the info on this.

Well that famous left-winger; John McCain; member of the senate armed services committee just stated 'enhanced interrogation'(torture) had nothing to do with OBLs capture, so give up the lie, will ya?

He's also a big supporter of...

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We might not be IN Libya but we're there. What in the world are we doing there? Why is it so important that we're there and not doing the same thing in Syria where the situation is equally as bad? How can Obama's foreign policy be anything but a mess? And how did he get the Nobel peace prize?

Apparently the only thing outmatching your fraudulence is your hypocrisy. We dropped a trillion dollars going into Iraq and you're going to criticize the expense of a few million to stop a massacre of people who unlike Iraqis, were actually fighting to remove their dictatorial leader whose own minister implicated him in terrorist acts that killed hundreds of Americans. You're an indoctrinated, Obama-hating tool.