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What is the status of fixing BOB/BTR? Its been a long time we have been waiting for the problems to be fixed with this game. Years as I have read elsewhere. Its all well and good to put out more and more new games but how about fixing this one?

What is BOB and BTR? Serious question, not being a smartmouth. [&o]

Bombing The Reich, Battle of Britian

Thank you Sabre!

I cant beleive they have the balls to charge $51.99 for dd and no work being done.Its a good game.

Whats amazing is how they won't respond to info requests about what is the status of fixing this software. They put out the product and then ignore the people that have paid for the product when they ask well where is the fix for the many issues this product has?

Hi Guys

First let have everyone calm down a bit. We been around a long time now and if anyone backs its customers its us. Let me talk with the developers and see what there plans are on an update. I am also moving this to the proper section of our forum.

Still awaiting word from on high.

Yes I am waiting for the developer to contact me back. It may take a little time.

Not a problem. I am well aware of the old saying "hurry up and wait!"

Thanks.

At least you are responding a great step up from my post months earlier which was totally ignored.

Sorry if it seemed like we left you hanging. Its not we are trying to be rude but we let our developers do the talking since they can really answer the questions better. Once I saw what was going on I started to look into it.

Sorry was in the Hosp, wasn't able to see or do much here on the forum

I am not sure where Harley is at with what he was working on, but will try and find out

can you give me a list of what you see as being the issues?

I hope you are feeling better. I hope it was not too serious.

Hope all is well with you.

Issues that I posted were already known as far as I recall.

A) Romanian airfields that you couldn't post units to as the alert status wouldn't work properly. A raid 44 miles from an air base in Romania the units based there had a reaction time of over half an hour. They should've been at 5 minute status to take off. Hence Romania in the GC was indefensible as units wouldn't respond in time to do anything.

B) In Italy as allied raids moved up the boot air units available to intercept said raid would not be properly shown as available. Specifically you would have to continually select the raid to intercept and see if the SW had recognized air units further up the boot to be allowed to intercept. So in the first miles the SW would let some units be shown as ready to intercept but others not.Even though they weren't that much further up the boot. So you let the raid fly a 100 or so further miles up and try again. Eventually the SW would allow other bases to intercept. It became a truly tedious exercise each time raids flew to Italy.

C) After having selected a raid to intercept the SW would display units in scattered order of ranges to intercept the raid. So a raid near Rome once selected the list of Axis air units ready to intercept would show units 600 miles or more away first. The previous incarnation of this game the SW worked perfectly and would list the closest Axis units first and then the next furthest unit and so on. It was a smooth process that would allow you to select units to intercept the raid in question. In this incarnation as it stands you get a dogs breakfast of Axis units starting with the furthest and a jumble of the rest. Leading you to have to dig through the list to select which units were closest to be assigned to intercept. A truly annoying process especially when you consider the number of raids in a turn. Would seem a corruption of the Excel smallest to greatest value function when considering ranges to the raid of interest.

Those are the three that I posted in the tech site about a year or so ago. Have been awaiting some sort of patch ever since. Have checked update status for the this game over the last year and have always gotten the message that I have the latest version.

Not a design issue but I did post a question in the tech forum asking what the name and location of the file that would contain the Axis production values after factories had been reallocated prior to starting the GC game. The thought being that the process of changing over your factories at the beginning is a time consuming and tedious process. So once done at the start you could save a copy of that file to a backup location. That way when you started another GC and didn't want to redo the production at the beginning you could just copy over the saved file to the location in the game directory and be saved the job of redoing it all again. Never got a response to that query. Eventually gave up checking for it as a lost cause.

Once again thanks for your efforts and hope you are well.

Love the game just would like to be able to play the Axis GC and have it WAD.

Hope all is well with you.
STILL HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE MED'S BUT, SHOULD BE FINE

Issues that I posted were already known as far as I recall.

A) Romanian airfields that you couldn't post units to as the alert status wouldn't work properly. A raid 44 miles from an air base in Romania the units based there had a reaction time of over half an hour. They should've been at 5 minute status to take off. Hence Romania in the GC was indefensible as units wouldn't respond in time to do anything.
I AM LOOKING AT IT, THIS AREA AND ITALY WERE ALWAYS A HASSLE IN THE OLD GAME TOO, LACK OF RADAR, AND THE DETECTION LEVELS, REACTION TIMES, MOST TIMES YOU GOT TO BE LAUNCHING WAY EARLY, TO HAVE A CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING, C&C IN THIS AREA WAS VERY POOR, IT WAS THE AA GUNS THAT WERE THE MAIN DEFENCES ?

B) In Italy as allied raids moved up the boot air units available to intercept said raid would not be properly shown as available. Specifically you would have to continually select the raid to intercept and see if the SW had recognized air units further up the boot to be allowed to intercept. So in the first miles the SW would let some units be shown as ready to intercept but others not.Even though they weren't that much further up the boot. So you let the raid fly a 100 or so further miles up and try again. Eventually the SW would allow other bases to intercept. It became a truly tedious exercise each time raids flew to Italy.
AGAIN, THINK THIS IS WAD, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ANY OF THAT, RADAR, DETECTION AND SPOTTING ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND LINKED TO AIRFIELDS, NOT ALL AIRFIELDS ARE LINKED TO THE SAME RADAR, I WILL ASK, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS WAY, IN ITALY, THE PLAYER, ALWAYS HAD TO MOVE BACK AND DEEP, THE FRONT LINE AND MIDDLE RANGED BASES WERE ABLE TO BE JUMPED, BEFORE THEY KNEW ANYTHING WAS IN THE AREA

C) After having selected a raid to intercept the SW would display units in scattered order of ranges to intercept the raid. So a raid near Rome once selected the list of Axis air units ready to intercept would show units 600 miles or more away first. The previous incarnation of this game the SW worked perfectly and would list the closest Axis units first and then the next furthest unit and so on. It was a smooth process that would allow you to select units to intercept the raid in question. In this incarnation as it stands you get a dogs breakfast of Axis units starting with the furthest and a jumble of the rest. Leading you to have to dig through the list to select which units were closest to be assigned to intercept. A truly annoying process especially when you consider the number of raids in a turn. Would seem a corruption of the Excel smallest to greatest value function when considering ranges to the raid of interest. THINK THIS IS PART OF THE SORT FUCTION, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU SAY BY CLICKING THE RANGE BUTTON ? THAT ALL HAD TO BE CHANGED, BUT WE PUT IN SO EACH OF THE SORTS COULD BE CLICKABLE, TO BE ABLE TO PICK WHAT YOU WANTED ?
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Those are the three that I posted in the tech site about a year or so ago. Have been awaiting some sort of patch ever since. Have checked update status for the this game over the last year and have always gotten the message that I have the latest version.

Not a design issue but I did post a question in the tech forum asking what the name and location of the file that would contain the Axis production values after factories had been reallocated prior to starting the GC game. The thought being that the process of changing over your factories at the beginning is a time consuming and tedious process. So once done at the start you could save a copy of that file to a backup location. That way when you started another GC and didn't want to redo the production at the beginning you could just copy over the saved file to the location in the game directory and be saved the job of redoing it all again. Never got a response to that query. Eventually gave up checking for it as a lost cause. THAT WOULD BE IN THE LOCATION FILE, SHOULDN'T BE A EASY FILE TO REWORK, IT WOULD SAVE TIME, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE SAME THING OVER, BUT

Once again thanks for your efforts and hope you are well.

Love the game just would like to be able to play the Axis GC and have it WAD.

I HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING THINGS DONE, FROM THE MATRIX FORUM (SOME REASON, IT SENDING ME TO A ERROR PAGE, WHEN I TRY TO SEND MESSAGES OR MOVE AROUND) BUT TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF HARLEY, AND AM LOOKING AT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, TO SEE WHAT I CAN SEE, AND IF I CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT

I had different bugs:

- bug: Two of my divisions in Italy have been at 94 disruption for months. they do not seem to recover, nor do they seem to receive higher disruption.

- bug: sometimes 'red' (allied) groups almost fly back to the launch point, then turn around, fly back into axis airspace and then turn again and land normally. This odd behaviour makes no sense.
Similar issue: I recently screenshotted a German patrol over England in '44.

- bug: sometimes scattered interceptors are suddenly assigned to very, very far away targets for a few minutes (such as fighters over Romania suddenly chasing bombers over Hamburg)

- bug: very often when I click on several stacked boxed in the"intercept" context I get an empty list. Back, click again - full list. This happens almsot always on my machine.

from here tm.asp?m=2252507&mpage=5#


I also own a screenshot of German fighters over London...during BTR!

[quote] bug: sometimes 'red' (allied) groups almost fly back to the launch point, then turn around, fly back into axis airspace and then turn again and land normally. This odd behaviour makes no sense.


I have the same thing happen in my games as well. Very weird to say the least.

Two of the bugs noted are real in my games as well. (Ive played since the initial version long ago.) Turn around of bomber units and redirection of interceptors.

The turn around of bombing units is a long standing problem. It may have been improved on, but it has never been eliminated. In PVP it is best to let them come and go unmolested.

The unexpected movement of air groups to intercept new units rather than the ones you want is probably caused by reassignment after a large target breaks into renumbered smaller groups. It is perhaps possible that something else is renumbering the interceptors after someone lands or something else happens. But anyway this is not new. This is not that big a deal.

Neither of these effects break the game.

I think there are also some problems with night bombing at "unusual" altitudes or against precision targets. The night bombing should be used only against area targets IMO.

Otherwise the game is very good, and can be played with great enjoyment by committed players.

Greetings <S> [8D]

Not being an experienced Luftwaffe player I cant really speak about issues associated with running the Axis.

The issue of the Heavy Bombers going back into Axis territory is well known. I refer to it as the "Way Point Tag Back Boogaloo". It is annoying but not a game breaker for me. I would like to see it corrected. But at least the Sicily to Dover Dash-N-Splash got fixed. And Allied Fighter Bombers actually fight back now and get kills even when engaging interceptors. So for me that is a good trade.

My experience has been mostly that what I typically initially thought was a bug actually turned out to be some feature that I didnt understand and / or was Working As Designed.

There is nothing else like this game that I have found anywhere. The only one thing I would really like seen with this is to expand it out similar to BOBII Wings of Victory where you can actually fly AC in missions. That would make this the Ultimate Strategic / Tactical Sim of the Air War in Europe.

OK Harely I wont say anymore [8D] But I can still dream!

Later,
KayBay [8D]