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Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:29 pm
by Rosseau
I know, the excitement is building for PC release. I never knew about Panzer General Forever until a few days ago reading this forum. That is a pretty nice package, especially for the price [;)]

I know PGF has no polished editor, but text files are editable, etc. I love you guys, but am going to need a little convincing on spending $40 for the new game. In particular, because I never was a PG fanatic. I liked it, but it seemed more like solving a puzzle than tactics to win in the older games.

Thanks, and much success!

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:44 pm
by Razz1
Try Multi-player. That is where most games are at their height.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:41 am
by SeaMonkey
Yeah but even human opponents seem to follow the AI MO of packing units in around the objectives and holding out till time expires, the rest of the map goes largely unused.

Doesn't that fit how real operational tactics work![>:] What we need is some other objectives, like perhaps key bridge locations or a crossroad, how about a map edge to exit units off of?

Something to make the rest of the map relevant.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:41 am
by ccsdc83
I am buying mine for the editor and multiplayer portion to be honest. Creating custom things and playing friendly matches against opponents is what will make this game great for me.

Every game released these days has people who need "convincing" so I guess check out videos on Youtube when it releases to see how it looks for you.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:19 am
by Rosseau
Thanks for the comments, guys.

If I had the time and commitment for MP, I'd be playing other games. So this would be SP only. It "looks" beautiful. If it plays like SeaMoney hints at, it will get old quick. If you can set various objectives with the editor, it may hold promise.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:37 am
by Rudankort
Guys, check out our multiplayer entry of dev diary:
http://panzer-corps.com/2011/06/panzer- ... ltiplayer/

It should give some idea what MP looks like.

To answer the original question in this thread, the reason to buy Panzer Corps is the same reason why people buy sequels in the first place. Why get Civilization 5 or Heroes of Might & Magic 5 when you already own previous version? ;)

For me there is no going back to playing PG/PGF after I spent last months with PzC. Graphics and effects are so much better, unit balance feels just about right, UI is much friendlier, there is a seamless and comprehensive multiplayer, there is a full-blown WYSIWYG map and scenario editor etc. In addition to this, you get a brand new campaign to play (26 scens), a separate tutorial mini-campaign (6 scens) and 10 scenarios created specifically for Multiplayer. This is a lot of new content.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:01 am
by parusski
Everything Rudankort says. PC is a beautiful and challenging game. You will never go back.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:44 pm
by SeaMonkey
Yeah ...yeah...whatever....just tell me...does the AI pack units in around the objectives?[8|]
 
Tell me you don't go from one spot to another against the clock with the same old cookie-cutter approach depending on the defending force mix at the objective, especially after the initial breakthrough.[>:]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:41 pm
by soldier1
Cant speak for the AI but if you think i'm just gonna sit around and pack the objectives while waiting for the enemy... think again. Cut off approaches, defend in depth, fall back positions, spoiling attacks... and yes, if you get to our last town, We'll be waiting there too [:'(]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:46 pm
by parusski
Well there is no point in discussing this with you because it appears you have made up your mind.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:42 pm
by SeaMonkey
I'm not asking for a lawyer's closing statements, just a simple "yes" or "no".  Does the AI tend to build units and pack them around the objective hexes?  Yes (check or circle) or No (indicate please).  And yes soldier, I'm looking forward to the H vs H scenarios, I'm buying the game, but I would like to see the AI commit to a continuous front(at least semi-) like IRL, and react to the players actions.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:13 pm
by HansHafen
And while you're at it, I'd like a young, big breasted, intelligent, blue eyed, bombshell blonde too. To go please...

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:29 pm
by SeaMonkey
Ha HH! That'll cost you a little more than $40.

Ohh.... and if you have to ask, you can't afford it![:'(]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:09 am
by HansHafen
Hehehehe, maybe if I add a zero! [:D]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:34 am
by Rosseau
I went to the website as Rudankort suggested. It does look sweet. I just hope there exists a human opponent as weak as I. Sold!

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:06 am
by ccsdc83
Less than 4 days now until we can test the AI [8D]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:14 pm
by parusski
ORIGINAL: SeaMonkey

I'm not asking for a lawyer's closing statements, just a simple "yes" or "no".  Does the AI tend to build units and pack them around the objective hexes?  Yes (check or circle) or No (indicate please).  And yes soldier, I'm looking forward to the H vs H scenarios, I'm buying the game, but I would like to see the AI commit to a continuous front(at least semi-) like IRL, and react to the players actions.

How dare you accuse me of anything associated with a lawyer. [:-]

In my experience the AI does a good job of blocking the approaches to objectives. It also does a very good job of counter attacking in places I least expect. In the end, however, if one is closing on an objective it should be expected the AI would concentrate forces. Sometimes it does this better than at other times.

There, that is as clear as mud.[:D]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:30 pm
by SeaMonkey
My sincerest apology for the "lawyer" comment parusski, didn't mean to lump you in with the "bottom" dwellers, which includes the politicians as well.
 
Thanks for the enlightenment, crystal clear for simpletons like me.[8D]

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:03 pm
by parusski
ORIGINAL: SeaMonkey

My sincerest apology for the "lawyer" comment parusski, didn't mean to lump you in with the "bottom" dwellers, which includes the politicians as well.

Thanks for the enlightenment, crystal clear for simpletons like me.[8D]

Well thanks, but the damage is done. I enter therapy tomorrow.

P.S. BUY the freaking game.

RE: Panzer Corps vs PGF

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:00 am
by sillyflower
ORIGINAL: parusski


How dare you accuse me of anything associated with a lawyer. [:-]

I agree with your enthusiasm for this game, which now means that you are associated with a lawyer

Try living with yourself now, Yankee