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Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:20 pm
by Capt Cliff
I am playing vs the AI and it's 12/17/41 and a Japanese TF magically appeared at Point Victoria. The Japanese captured Point Victoria on the 15th. Now I still own Singapore and saw no ships transit up there. When I go to a head to head option and I check where that TF is heading I find out it's a single ship going south around Australia through the central pacific to Singora, which is 3 hexs down from Point Victoria but on the other side of the isthmus.
I have the save games for before and after, but where do I send them. I am going to run the previous turn again and see if the TF reappears.
Addendum: I re-ran the turn before and no TF appeared in Point Victoria. Go figure. The AI must have a call AK function and they just appear.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:17 pm
by Don Bowen
The AI cheats.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:25 pm
by wdolson
And all AIs in all games cheat. It's just that you end up seeing the cheats sometimes in this game.
Bill
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:35 pm
by 5thGuardsTankArmy
ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff
I am playing vs the AI and it's 12/17/41 and a Japanese TF magically appeared at Point Victoria. The Japanese captured Point Victoria on the 15th. Now I still own Singapore and saw no ships transit up there. When I go to a head to head option and I check where that TF is heading I find out it's a single ship going south around Australia through the central pacific to Singora, which is 3 hexs down from Point Victoria but on the other side of the isthmus.
I have the save games for before and after, but where do I send them. I am going to run the previous turn again and see if the TF reappears.
Addendum: I re-ran the turn before and no TF appeared in Point Victoria. Go figure. The AI must have a call AK function and they just appear.
Whatever you do, don't play the AI, play a Human or don't play.
Is my two €uros anyway. (Don't pay attantion to my statement as soon enugth the €uro won't be worth the paper its written on). [:)]
[:)]
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:48 pm
by Zorch
Euro kidding me?
Seriously, is there any possible way that the AI could have done this legally?
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:58 pm
by mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: wdolson
And all AIs in all games cheat. Bill
Which is why "AI" is a misnomer. There is nothing "intelligent" about an AI. It's job to give the "appearance" of directed activity by doing a lot of things (that often make no sense when examined closely)..., and "cheating" in order to maintain some semblance of a challange. [8|]
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:26 pm
by JeffroK
So all the PBEM fanboys come out to have a bash.
PBEMers probably use gamey tactics just as often as the AI uses its "advantages".
What scenario are you playing, if an ironman scen it may have been scripted to annoy you.
I havent seen this in tens of AI games.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:53 pm
by wdolson
I've seen it a couple of times in scen 1 as well as DaBabes. It's a bit annoying, but there are worse things in the world.
Not everyone can commit to playing PBEM. If you need to take a month off with a game in progress, the AI doesn't care whereas a human opponent would probably be unhappy. Other people like the ability to churn through several turns in a sitting rather than wait a day or two between turns.
Different people play games for different reasons. The PBEM fanboys are probably more numerous and definitely more vocal on the forum, but polls done by Matrix have found a large majority of players are mostly AI or AI only players.
Bill
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:23 pm
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
The AI cheats.
Hehe, surely not. [:'(]
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:50 pm
by USSAmerica
ORIGINAL: Shark7
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
The AI cheats.
Hehe, surely not. [:'(]
Actually it doesn't cheat. Cheating is breaking the rules. The AI has different rules from human players. It needs them to give some semblance of a challenge to the human player. You can choose to accept that as a fact of life when playing against predetermined code, or you can choose to play against another human, who has to play by the same rules as you do. (HR's negotiated, of course)
What makes anyone look like a fool is choosing to complain that "the game AI cheats" when all it's doing is trying it's best (the programmer's best) to provide some type of challenge in place of a human opponent. [:D]
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:31 am
by Mac Linehan
ORIGINAL: wdolson
I've seen it a couple of times in scen 1 as well as DaBabes. It's a bit annoying, but there are worse things in the world.
Not everyone can commit to playing PBEM. If you need to take a month off with a game in progress, the AI doesn't care whereas a human opponent would probably be unhappy. Other people like the ability to churn through several turns in a sitting rather than wait a day or two between turns.
Different people play games for different reasons. The PBEM fanboys are probably more numerous and definitely more vocal on the forum, but polls done by Matrix have found a large majority of players are mostly AI or AI only players.
Bill
wdolson -
Well put, and summed up.
Mac
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:48 am
by CaptBeefheart
I certainly hope the AI cheats. Without such cheats and without self-imposed rules (like no port attacks on Truk, the home islands and some other bases by anything other than CVs) it would be even easier to walk all over it.
Cheers,
CC
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:17 am
by HansBolter
ORIGINAL: wdolson
I've seen it a couple of times in scen 1 as well as DaBabes. It's a bit annoying, but there are worse things in the world.
Not everyone can commit to playing PBEM. If you need to take a month off with a game in progress, the AI doesn't care whereas a human opponent would probably be unhappy. Other people like the ability to churn through several turns in a sitting rather than wait a day or two between turns.
Different people play games for different reasons. The PBEM fanboys are probably more numerous and definitely more vocal on the forum, but polls done by Matrix have found a large majority of players are mostly AI or AI only players.
Bill
Thanks for standing up for us. Some of us get really tired of the constant condescending letures from the PBEM fanbois.
I might add that the AI will never be the kind of POS excuse for a decent human being who quits in a huff when his gambit fails. The AI will remain true and fight to the end. It trumps a human anyday.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:43 am
by mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: JeffK
So all the PBEM fanboys come out to have a bash.
PBEMers probably use gamey tactics just as often as the AI uses its "advantages".
Which is why "AI" is a misnomer. There is nothing "intelligent" about an AI. It's job to give the "appearance" of directed activity by doing a lot of things (that often make no sense when examined closely)..., and "cheating" in order to maintain some semblance of a challange.
Hey Jeff. I would really like you to show me where my comment says ANYTHING about AI vs. PBEM play? [&:][&:][8|]
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:45 pm
by bk19@mweb.co.za
ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy
Is my two €uros anyway. (Don't pay attantion to my statement as soon enugth the €uro won't be worth the paper its written on).
At first my immediate reaction to this remark was inflation had suddenly become unbounded. After some further thought though I now believe this to be a game within the game.
Piracy In The Pacific !!
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:46 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: wdolson
And all AIs in all games cheat. Bill
Which is why "AI" is a misnomer. There is nothing "intelligent" about an AI. It's job to give the "appearance" of directed activity by doing a lot of things (that often make no sense when examined closely)..., and "cheating" in order to maintain some semblance of a challange. [8|]
I think Andy Mac did a very good job and put in alot of hours. If the AI disgusts you that much, you take a turn.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:48 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
The AI cheats.
indeed.....My recent bid for Milne Bay was repulsed. To my suprise i found a whole lotta Home guard Oz units there! Dirty CHEATER!!!!! lol. A nice shock for me though. Only a temporary setback in my bid to RULE THE WORLD. [:)]
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:13 pm
by Capt Cliff
LOL!! This thread sure drew some flak!!
But seriously any of the designers watching the forum anymore or are we cut lose on our own? I'll hang on to the save games. Calling transports to a location was an ole Pacific War function. I would if that bit of code survived.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:18 pm
by Nikademus
Don already explained it. The AI is allowed to cheat on certain aspects. That the AI is not "SKYNET" (which too me is a comfort....be careful what you wish for Mankind), is more dead than the most beaten down horse.
If one thinks they've discovered a glitch/bug vs. an AI cheat.....they should post it on the Tech sub-forum.
RE: Magical Mystery Japanese TF teleportation!!
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:40 pm
by mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: wdolson
And all AIs in all games cheat. Bill
Which is why "AI" is a misnomer. There is nothing "intelligent" about an AI. It's job to give the "appearance" of directed activity by doing a lot of things (that often make no sense when examined closely)..., and "cheating" in order to maintain some semblance of a challange. [8|]
I think Andy Mac did a very good job and put in alot of hours. If the AI disgusts you that much, you take a turn.
I've complimented Andy's efforts in far too many posts to pay attention to your nonsense Nik. But the term "intelligence" is a misnomer when used to refer to an AI. No matter how many interesting scripts Andy writes, the AI will not be
intelligent. It can't think, it can only react in predetermined ways.