OT: Hitler
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:13 pm
Was Hitler part jewish?[X(] There was a program on the History Channel that talked about hitler's family. 
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RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:31 pm
Not conclusively proven AFAIK, but I do recall reading some quite strong evidence.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:10 am
Since being Jewish is a choice one makes for one's self, the obvious answer is no.
Ascribing to a religious creed is a choice. I don't think Mr. A chose Judaism, but then again, I never read more than 1 book by Glanz, so what do I know about history...
Ascribing to a religious creed is a choice. I don't think Mr. A chose Judaism, but then again, I never read more than 1 book by Glanz, so what do I know about history...
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:13 am
ORIGINAL: heliodorus04
Since being Jewish is a choice one makes for one's self, the obvious answer is no.
Ascribing to a religious creed is a choice. I don't think Mr. A chose Judaism, but then again, I never read more than 1 book by Glanz, so what do I know about history...
If your mother is Jewish, Jews consider you to be Jewish. It's genetic, too.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:49 am
ORIGINAL: jazman
It's genetic, too.
OH Lord....here we go....
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:10 am
Erhard Milch had a Jewish father, (which triggered a Gestapo investigation, squelched by Goring.)
His mother claimed that his real father was her uncle.
And yeah, let's not go down the genetic road.
His mother claimed that his real father was her uncle.
And yeah, let's not go down the genetic road.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:38 am
Which part of him did they say was Jewish?ORIGINAL: Footslogger
Was Hitler part jewish?[X(] There was a program on the History Channel that talked about hitler's family.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:45 am
What has this to do with the game? [8|]
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:57 am
Nothing. As the thread heading says, OT: Off Topic.ORIGINAL: horse1974
What has this to do with the game? [8|]
As for Jews and genetics, I've never been to a Synagogue in my life but every time I see that great conk, thin top lip, and general shape of my face and head in a mirror, I'm reminded that my father was Jewish.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:08 pm
http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
I know you guys are afraid that if you agree it means you're a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, but there it is. A man is born into it. Even if he rejects it lock, stock, and barrel, Jews say a man born a Jew is always a Jew. They have a phrase for Jews who reject Judaism: "self-loathing Jew."
Who Is a Jew?
A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism?
This has been established since the earliest days of Judaism. In the Torah, you will see many references to "the strangers who dwell among you" or "righteous proselytes" or "righteous strangers." These are various classifications of non-Jews who lived among Jews, adopting some or all of the beliefs and practices of Judaism without going through the formal process of conversion and becoming Jews. Once a person has converted to Judaism, he is not referred to by any special term; he is as much a Jew as anyone born Jewish.
I know you guys are afraid that if you agree it means you're a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, but there it is. A man is born into it. Even if he rejects it lock, stock, and barrel, Jews say a man born a Jew is always a Jew. They have a phrase for Jews who reject Judaism: "self-loathing Jew."
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:40 pm
Self-loathing Jew is a term of your own creation. The 'self-hating Jew' has nothing to do with apostate Jews, the self-hatred may be found as much in practicing Jews as others. It is merely an absorbtion of the social values in which Jews might live, a religious/ethnic peg upon which to hang an underlying self-hatred or a willingness to self-criticise mistaken for self-hatred in people with less stable egos.ORIGINAL: jazman
I know you guys are afraid that if you agree it means you're a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, but there it is. A man is born into it. Even if he rejects it lock, stock, and barrel, Jews say a man born a Jew is always a Jew. They have a phrase for Jews who reject Judaism: "self-loathing Jew."
Can you explain how the religion of my grand parents shaped my nose?
I can. We are a semitic people from the middle east, brothers to other Arabs but by quirk of history, with a different religion.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:56 pm
I'm reading an interesting book now called "Animals in the Third Reich" by Boria Sax. According to Sax, Hitler was a vegitarian and the Nazis actually had high regard for some animals, going so far as to issue laws against mistreating them. [X(]
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:47 am
ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
I'm reading an interesting book now called "Animals in the Third Reich" by Boria Sax. According to Sax, Hitler was a vegitarian and the Nazis actually had high regard for some animals, going so far as to issue laws against mistreating them. [X(]
There you hint at a distinct feature of the Nazi regime: that of pursuing to divest their victims of the quality of being "human". That speaks volumes on the whole thing.
Regarding vegetarianism: I'm currently going the excellent "The Wages of Destruction" by A. Tooze and I couldn't help chuckling when reading how the Reich Agriculture ministry called for vegetarianism as an Aryan thing to influence the demand of pork and meat in general. The Reich trade balance suffered because the lack of fodder for farm animals! [X(]
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:50 pm
This was before the war.
The Germans under Hitler made many reforms in the treatment of animals. The also made reforms about smoking in public and consumption of booze - ideas ahead of their time.
No one suggested their later human victims were less because of it.
The Germans under Hitler made many reforms in the treatment of animals. The also made reforms about smoking in public and consumption of booze - ideas ahead of their time.
No one suggested their later human victims were less because of it.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:17 pm
ORIGINAL: cavalry
This was before the war.
The Germans under Hitler made many reforms in the treatment of animals. The also made reforms about smoking in public and consumption of booze - ideas ahead of their time.
No one suggested their later human victims were less because of it.
The Nurembeg Laws were also before the war, and they exactly did that, to divest German Jews of their rights as German citizens. My observation above was an ironic remark about the Reich government being so concerned about animal rights and so little concerned about human rights.
RE: OT: Hitler
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:29 pm
You are quite right I understand. It was a time full of the most bizarre contradictions.