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ORIGINAL: Major SNAFU

Hi all,

I installed the patch and fired up St. Vith.

I set up my standard initial attack, which in the past always saw the 51st leading off in advance of the 318th Inf Rgt.

But now, the 51st always is slow off the mark. I've rerun the beginning 10 times with the similar results. What I don't understand is why the 51st always attacks in a line, and always seems to have 2 or more elements still reorging at the very beginning of the attack. Perhaps it did this pre-patch and I am not remembering correctly?

I am leaving all settings as default for both the 51st and 318th. Both have secure crossing and arty restricted to own attack.

Both the 51st and the 318th received their orders at the very beginning of the scenario. Here is a picture that is representative of what I am seeing.

This is the extent of the 51st's progress by shortly after 7:00. If I let the game run until 7:50, none of the 51st's units will have moved, nor will the 2 that are reorging have come out of reorg status during the 40+ minutes. Only the B.51 is taking fire.

I just ran the game forward to 08:50. Only just now have the 2 units in reorg come out and begun advancing on toward the objective.

UPDATE: I have run some more passes, each from the same saved-game point. The 51st finally kicks off its assault as early as 08:50, but I have seen it not go until as late as 10:10. It always sends one unit (and it is not always the same unit - sometimes it is A.51, sometimes b.51 and sometimes the engineering unit) to the crest of the hill by around 07:00 and that unit takes fire until the rest of the unit attacks. I am also sending the AAA and armored unit to the crest of the hill as demonstrated in the video. Very difficult to get the timing correct and the AAA unit always seems to take a different route.

Many complex, new things are obviously happening. At this point I would suggest that the tutorial movies may have to be re-done....

It looks like Mech infantry takes much, much longer to shake out into an attack with the new patch. Just something to plan for.

UPDATE #2: On the last time through the 51st assaulted at 07:20, which is what I would have expected. This time I didn't have in the delayed move of the AAA and then B.35 onto the hill top added into the orders (but their orders were delayed until after 08:15 in any case) I am confused by the large variability in unit response.

ORIGINAL: johndoesecond

Sorry, I just quickly parsed your message, but from the screenshot, it seems to me that you set the FUP for the armoured Bn too far ahead.
If the units are halted, fired-at, bombarded or disturbed in any other way during the operations of preparation for the attack, that could significantly prolong the preparations for the attack, and can sometimes completely disrupt it.
(For example, look at that B.51 coy: it's is still heading to its FUP, but is engaged).

So I'd suggest you try to pick a more retreated FUP, possibly covered from enemy sights. Also, keep your eyes on and adjust accordingly the frontage and depth of the FUP area.

Something has changed in the recent patches to significantly alter the game play.

ORIGINAL: Lieste

The FUP isn't a 'point' as such, rather the focus of an area in which the unit deploys into formation... the chosen attack formation appears to be column - not what I'd specify but one of the possible formations - It is hard to tell exactly what has already happened, and what remains undone, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the column 'head' wasn't still travelling to the designated jump-off point when it came under fire. This will delay the re-org task, and if the fire is in any way effective could prevent it entirely.

Under these circumstances I would order B.51 to defend, removing it from the attack tasking, and consider re-routeing the remaining units to a more covered route.

ORIGINAL: Lieste

... the chosen attack formation appears to be column ...