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Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:31 pm
by Miller
Total US combat ship losses (DD or larger) in the pacific during WW2:

4 CV
1 CVL
5 CVE
2 BB
7 CA
1 CL
2 CLAA
50-ish DD

DD losses aside, an Allied player could lose that much in the space of 2 days in AE[X(]

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:47 pm
by John 3rd
Because we JFB are FAAAAAR cooler then the real life Japanese!

BANZAI!


RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:00 pm
by tocaff
Because the IJN used inferior tactics in real life and JFBs work the game instead.

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:08 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
main thing is that JFB can produce about 5x the number of aircraft as they did IRL



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RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:10 pm
by PaxMondo
I would tend to think the opposite: all players are not nearly as risk averse with their assets as historically was the case.

Nimitz was extremely methodical and careful in everything he did with the exception of Guadacanal. That was a shoestring and a close call. After that though, minimal risk for maximum gain was the watch word.

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:12 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
B-24 .. as far as you can see

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RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:16 pm
by Cavalry Corp
I see its the one at the back thats finished - LOL

Impressive...

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:36 pm
by ny59giants
If we can just get MichaelM to 'enhance' the code to get hindsight removed. [:D]

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:39 pm
by John 3rd
ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

B-24 .. as far as you can see

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THIS is why we JFBs have no hope NO MATTER WHAT!


RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:59 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
quality has a quantity all its own

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could have put more armor and torpedoes, instead of the fuel

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:12 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
speed


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(japan had 3 of these since 1940)
(didn't produce, not maneouverable enough [8|])

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:16 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
climb rate

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needs a Mitsubishi Kasei, some 20mm cannons

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:19 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
maneouverability


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reduce the fuel, reduce the armament to 2x20mm on the nose
now the A6M2 flies 350mph with 94kg/m2 wing loading

hit me if you can..

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:34 pm
by GenChaos33
Hey!!! Lets not forget about the 52 SS. Don't make me mad!!!! Never forget....

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:36 pm
by crsutton
Because if the game played out like the real deal, Japanese players would be as rare as male calico cats....[8|]

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:49 pm
by freeboy
did you omit the losses at pearl?
that is an amazing feature..
what about brit and dutch losses?

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:14 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: freeboy

did you omit the losses at pearl?
Don't think so. These were US Navy losses, not Allied losses. I think that the Oklahoma and the Arizona were the only to USN BBs lost during the war.

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:22 pm
by Gridley380
ORIGINAL: Miller

Total US combat ship losses (DD or larger) in the pacific during WW2:

4 CV
1 CVL
5 CVE
2 BB
7 CA
1 CL
2 CLAA
50-ish DD

DD losses aside, an Allied player could lose that much in the space of 2 days in AE[X(]

And don't forget: all four of the CVs, both BBs, 5 CA, both CLAAs, and a bunch of the DD were lost in 1941/1942.

Post-1942 the USN in ALL theaters lost:

1 CVL
6 CVE
2 CA
1 CL
45 DD
15 DE
44 SS

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:46 pm
by spence
Hey!!! Lets not forget about the 52 SS.

A lost ship and crew is bad no matter how but if you omit the losses to the hazards of the sea such as running aground and fires at sea and incidences of friendly fire the Japanese only get to claim 40 or so subs.

RE: Reality check for all us JFBs

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:53 pm
by Commander Stormwolf
I-19 sank the wasp
I-168 sank the yorktown

japanese submarines saved the IJN from total humiliation in 1942