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AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:50 pm
by Capt Cliff
I started a thread on the main forum to see if someone else has this problem. My AVG units will not up grade. I have one squadron with zero planes and I have to ship it out of Rangoon, because it won't transfer out of Burma. It appears my only option is to disband them.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:22 pm
by Sardaukar
You have way too few P-40Es in pool to upgrade unit that is set to permanently withdraw/disband. If it was not with P, you could.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:26 pm
by Capt Cliff
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
You have way too few P-40Es in pool to upgrade unit that is set to permanently withdraw/disband. If it was not with P, you could.
There are 12 P-40E's, look behind the black box. I have upgraded other units that have more planes, say 10 to 15, to only 3 or 4 of the newer models. But the AVG doesn't do it!
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:31 pm
by Puhis
But you need 27 planes. If unit is set to permanently withdraw, you can't partially upgrade that unit.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:33 pm
by Sardaukar
What Puhis said, you'd need minimum pool number of nominal strength to upgrade unit with that"P".
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:39 pm
by Dan Nichols
ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
You have way too few P-40Es in pool to upgrade unit that is set to permanently withdraw/disband. If it was not with P, you could.
There are 12 P-40E's, look behind the black box. I have upgraded other units that have more planes, say 10 to 15, to only 3 or 4 of the newer models. But the AVG doesn't do it!
Once again, a unit that is scheduled to withdraw has to have its max number of aircraft in the pool to do an upgrade. A unit that is not scheduled to withdraw can be upgraded with 1 aircraft.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:07 pm
by hades1001
some groups you need full amount of planes to upgrade, others don't
I don't know why. Maybe there are some restrictions on the the groups that need be withdraw.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:01 pm
by crsutton
To prevent a player from gaming the system by upgrading a unit due to withdraw with one or two obsolete planes right before withdrawal in order to strip all of the aircraft out of it....Like said above, it only will happen with units due to disband or withdraw. All others should present no problems.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:05 pm
by HansBolter
I believe we clued him in to the requirement for the pool to contain an amount equal to the maximum squadron size for squadrons set to withdraw in the other thread he started.
I even showed him how the system can still be "gamed" to a certain degree by canabalizing other squadrons to fill the pool with sufficient numbers.
not sure why he felt another thread to beat the dead horse was necesary......
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:17 pm
by Capt Cliff
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
I believe we clued him in to the requirement for the pool to contain an amount equal to the maximum squadron size for squadrons set to withdraw in the other thread he started.
I even showed him how the system can still be "gamed" to a certain degree by canabalizing other squadrons to fill the pool with sufficient numbers.
not sure why he felt another thread to beat the dead horse was necesary......
No .. that's not why I asked. Since I could update one squadron without a minimum number I was perplexed why I couldn't do it with the AVG units. An you condescending attitude is not appreciated, especially since it only serves to boast your ego.
Puhis; An I didn't notice the "P", which I assume is buried in the rules some place.
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:34 am
by JeffroK
Its naughty not to follow the teachings of Herr Bolter
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:20 am
by HansBolter
look I'm sorry if I came across as condescending.
it just get's a bit tedious pointing out the same things repeatedly.
squadrons with a withdrawl date can't upgrade until the pool has sufficient numbers to equal the maximum plane count of the squadron.
all of the squadrons of the AVG have withdrawl dates.
of the "possibles" causes of failure to upgrade listed in the fly out highlight in your screenshot the top one "insuffcient number in pool" (can't remember the exact wording) is the winning answer
to upgrade AVG squadrons you have to get them to a level 7 airfield with 20k supplies AND you have to wait until the pool has sufficient numbers. as I mentioned before, you can manipulate the pool numbers to a certain degree by canabalizing other squadrons.....
I hope the many offers of assistance in understanding the game rules and mechanics you have received from other players who simply want to help without being taken to task over the manner in which they offer that help does some good for you.......
have fun with the game
RE: AVG will not up grade!!
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:10 pm
by Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
look I'm sorry if I came across as condescending.
it just get's a bit tedious pointing out the same things repeatedly.
squadrons with a withdrawl date can't upgrade until the pool has sufficient numbers to equal the maximum plane count of the squadron.
all of the squadrons of the AVG have withdrawl dates.
of the "possibles" causes of failure to upgrade listed in the fly out highlight in your screenshot the top one "insuffcient number in pool" (can't remember the exact wording) is the winning answer
to upgrade AVG squadrons you have to get them to a level 7 airfield with 20k supplies AND you have to wait until the pool has sufficient numbers. as I mentioned before, you can manipulate the pool numbers to a certain degree by canabalizing other squadrons.....
I hope the many offers of assistance in understanding the game rules and mechanics you have received from other players who simply want to help without being taken to task over the manner in which they offer that help does some good for you.......
have fun with the game
Very good explanation Hans. My tired old memory forgets the thousands of issues that have been surfaced in the various threads on the WITP-AE board.
Thank you for taking the time once again.
Buck (69 years old)
BTW I am saving this in a tip file.