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Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:43 pm
by Don Bowen

There is some wonderful artwork for late war aircraft at: http://www.alternatewars.com/Mods/WITP_AE/WITP_AE.htm (Thank you, but the way).

Does anyone have AE specs for these aircraft, especially the ones that would have come into service in 1946??

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:35 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Here's some stuff for you, Don. SWAG warning in effect, as per usual:

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RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:35 pm
by DuckofTindalos
And the Sea Fury:

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RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:40 pm
by Don Bowen

Many thanks. I'm working on a scenario (for myself) that runs through 1946...

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:46 pm
by DuckofTindalos
No problem. Let me know if you want anything else.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:49 pm
by Don Bowen

Thanks. Let me ask your opinion. If the war had gone on through the end of 1946, what planes would the British have deployed to the Pacific?

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:52 pm
by DuckofTindalos
I actually doubt they would have gone ahead with a great many land-based aircraft. Tiger Force and what-not was a Churchill pet project, and he got kicked out of office in 1945.

But if they did, then we're obviously talking long-range types. The Lanc and Linc, Mossie bomber and NF types. Perhaps a Catalina or two, mainly for ASR.

If the war had continued, we must assume that the British offensive to retake Malaya would have gone ahead too, which would have represented the major commitment for their land-based air.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:58 pm
by Don Bowen

Sounds good. I think I've got a good selection. Might need to look at early jets.

Appreciate all the help.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:43 pm
by DuckofTindalos
I would call a Meteor deployment to our game area HIGHLY unlikely. It didn't do well at airfields of less than European or CONUS standard, and its range was comparatively short.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:00 pm
by Sardaukar
I think Hawker Tempest had enough range for Pacific, so might find some of those around in 1945-46.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:16 pm
by DuckofTindalos
More likely in Malaya.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:55 pm
by AW1Steve
What about Vampires? Or SeaVampires? Both were in production (although it had been slowed down and deliberately delayed) the 1st SeaVampire CV landing was Aug. 1945.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:31 pm
by Dixie
IMO, Almost certain:

Tempest Mk II
Spitfire Mk XVIII
Spitfire Mk XXI/Mk XXII
Lancaster BI
Lincoln BI

Sea Fury
Hornet
Sea Hornet
Firebrand

Possibilities:
Halifax
Spiteful
Seafang
Brigand


A good guide (IMO) would be to consider what types the Indian and Pakistani air forces started their existence with. Vampires and Venoms are likely to be the only jets deployed (if any), it would have been a struggle to get off the ground in the climate of the Far East with the earliest marks of jet aircraft. The arrival of Tiger Force would possibly bring at least some elements of 100 Group as well, Mosquitos etc. Obviously the newer marks of Spitfires would be sent east if the war continued on.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:10 pm
by DuckofTindalos
I'd say the sending of high Mark-number Spits would depend on how much of the IJAAF would be faced. The Spit wasn't as good a ground attack plane as the Thunderbolt and the Hurricane.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:31 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Terminus

I'd say the sending of high Mark-number Spits would depend on how much of the IJAAF would be faced. The Spit wasn't as good a ground attack plane as the Thunderbolt and the Hurricane.

Indeed not, but would that really stop the RAF from sending them? Spitfires would likely have gone, because we had them, regardless of their actual capabilities in the likely role as fighter bombers.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:09 pm
by DuckofTindalos
True, but Tempest and Typhoon would also be available in some numbers, both of which could spank the impertinence off a Spitfire...

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:50 pm
by Don Bowen

I'm too ignorant to be in this conversation. But when it is over, I'd appreciate help with artwork and stats. Getting most extra artwork from the altwars site.

RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:44 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Here's a few more:

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RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:45 pm
by DuckofTindalos
And...

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RE: Late War British Aircraft

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:01 pm
by kfsgo
Durability #s seem rather low - keeping existing aircraft as a baseline:

Tempest II is currently a 36; Sea Fury is about the same size/weight, so would go with that in that case.

Firebrand is a pretty large aircraft for being a single off carriers - size and weight-wise it's similar to the Skyraiders etc, so slightly larger and heavier than the 'big' fighters like Corsair, Thunderbolt; those are also mostly 36s, so probably 37-38?

Brigand is a deceptively large aircraft - about the size of a B-25 and a fair bit heavier. Beaufighter is a 38, B-25 is a 42; probably the latter number is sensible given less 'design survivability' but greater mass.