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How do you resupply BB's main battery ammo?

I have had BB's sitting at a well supplied island base for 3 turns and I am seeing no increase in main battery ammo. I supplied the base with AKE's previously. What do I need to do to get fully armed?

You need AKE's at the base , the manual has a table in it for reloading using AKE's (the AKE needs to have supply loaded) .
Starts on page 284.

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

You need AKE's at the base , the manual has a table in it for reloading using AKE's (the AKE needs to have supply loaded) .
Starts on page 284.

Also make sure the AKE is large enough, at least some of the Allied AKEs aren't large enough to resupply BB ammo (needs to be at least 5400 supply capacity IIRC)

If you have enough Naval Support in a large enough port with enough AKEs you can resupply even the Yamato. I have done it at Truk, several times.

again the battle to play the game.. good grief..
sorry to rain on the parades of all the detail freaks here, but again another area the game is out of control... can we make it any harder? Lets see,
sorry
rant over
 
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And if it is Yamato or Musashi, you might as well plot a course back to a level 9 port, no AE/AKE is big enough to reload those 2.

ORIGINAL: freeboy

again the battle to play the game.. good grief..
sorry to rain on the parades of all the detail freaks here, but again another area the game is out of control... can we make it any harder? Lets see,
sorry
rant over

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Utter nonsense. AE only puts realistic restrictions on reloading. In RL there were only a handful of ports capable of reloading BBs and very few tenders that could help. You need to plan ahead to sustain operations with both CVs and BBs just like in RL.

ORIGINAL: freeboy

again the battle to play the game.. good grief..
sorry to rain on the parades of all the detail freaks here, but again another area the game is out of control... can we make it any harder? Lets see,
sorry
rant over

[:-]

Totally disagree. It is very unrealistic to think a BB could rearm at a piddly little size 1 port, or that any AKE/AE could perform the task. I like this level of complexity, although I'm still trying to figure out what class of ship will let my PT boats rearm their torpedo tubes...

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: freeboy

again the battle to play the game.. good grief..
sorry to rain on the parades of all the detail freaks here, but again another area the game is out of control... can we make it any harder? Lets see,
sorry
rant over

[:-]

Totally disagree. It is very unrealistic to think a BB could rearm at a piddly little size 1 port, or that any AKE/AE could perform the task. I like this level of complexity, although I'm still trying to figure out what class of ship will let my PT boats rearm their torpedo tubes...

Correct one for PT boats is of course AGP, loaded with supplies.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: freeboy

again the battle to play the game.. good grief..
sorry to rain on the parades of all the detail freaks here, but again another area the game is out of control... can we make it any harder? Lets see,
sorry
rant over

[:-]

Totally disagree. It is very unrealistic to think a BB could rearm at a piddly little size 1 port, or that any AKE/AE could perform the task. I like this level of complexity, although I'm still trying to figure out what class of ship will let my PT boats rearm their torpedo tubes...

Being an old groundpounder(never on a ship) I like the details which add flavor to the game.

Rearming is still to simple in my book.

If you like WITP without the added detail, then the original is still available for sale. AE came from the demands for greater detail from this very forum, so the complaints against this detail are likely to fall on deaf ears...

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: freeboy

again the battle to play the game.. good grief..
sorry to rain on the parades of all the detail freaks here, but again another area the game is out of control... can we make it any harder? Lets see,
sorry
rant over

[:-]

Totally disagree. It is very unrealistic to think a BB could rearm at a piddly little size 1 port, or that any AKE/AE could perform the task. I like this level of complexity, although I'm still trying to figure out what class of ship will let my PT boats rearm their torpedo tubes...

Correct one for PT boats is of course AGP, loaded with supplies.

Yes, and the only AGP I had in the theater just got sunk by an I-boat a day out of Sydney, even with two RN DD's as escort!

(continuing to look for an AGP somewhere...)

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

ORIGINAL: John Lansford




Totally disagree. It is very unrealistic to think a BB could rearm at a piddly little size 1 port, or that any AKE/AE could perform the task. I like this level of complexity, although I'm still trying to figure out what class of ship will let my PT boats rearm their torpedo tubes...

Correct one for PT boats is of course AGP, loaded with supplies.

Yes, and the only AGP I had in the theater just got sunk by an I-boat a day out of Sydney, even with two RN DD's as escort!

(continuing to look for an AGP somewhere...)

You can convert some ships to AGPs, just don't remember right now which ones.

Better than mine, it took a "creative routing" that took it closer to enemy TFs when threatened (went towards them?) and was destroyed by naval airstrikes. I have learned to not use the "normal" routing as it has caused me to lose 2 AGPs and an AD early when I thought I had given them orders to move away from the enemy.

Live and learn.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

ORIGINAL: John Lansford




Totally disagree. It is very unrealistic to think a BB could rearm at a piddly little size 1 port, or that any AKE/AE could perform the task. I like this level of complexity, although I'm still trying to figure out what class of ship will let my PT boats rearm their torpedo tubes...

Correct one for PT boats is of course AGP, loaded with supplies.

Yes, and the only AGP I had in the theater just got sunk by an I-boat a day out of Sydney, even with two RN DD's as escort!

(continuing to look for an AGP somewhere...)

I just lost an AD one hex out of Noumea. Damn I-Boats. Mine too was well escorted

La contessa Zeppelin brings the pith, +1

ORIGINAL: nashvillen

If you have enough Naval Support in a large enough port with enough AKEs you can resupply even the Yamato. I have done it at Truk, several times.

I can understand the need for an AE, but needing all that support is ridiculous. All that is needed are a few lighters to load, then move alongside the BB and unload. Not rocket science. No ship goes alongside an ammo ship to resupply while in port (AE make very big booms when hit). Indeed, battleships in ports major ports use the same method, a lighter comes along side and loads/unloads then the ship proceeds to dock. In all cases the battleship's own cranes do the heavy lifting.

On an associated topic, it is much too quick to reload an empty BB. Even in well equipped ports it can take a several days to load ammo and food, etc. I know there are some restrictions for port size on how many ships can load, but they still reload too fast.

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

ORIGINAL: nashvillen

If you have enough Naval Support in a large enough port with enough AKEs you can resupply even the Yamato. I have done it at Truk, several times.

I can understand the need for an AE, but needing all that support is ridiculous. All that is needed are a few lighters to load, then move alongside the BB and unload. Not rocket science. No ship goes alongside an ammo ship to resupply while in port (AE make very big booms when hit). Indeed, battleships in ports major ports use the same method, a lighter comes along side and loads/unloads then the ship proceeds to dock. In all cases the battleship's own cranes do the heavy lifting.

On an associated topic, it is much too quick to reload an empty BB. Even in well equipped ports it can take a several days to load ammo and food, etc. I know there are some restrictions for port size on how many ships can load, but they still reload too fast.

Yes, they do. I was bringing in a two CV TF into Suva, completely out of available sorties, low on fuel and the escorts low on ammo, and they were all back up to full condition in a day. Granted I had a lot of AO's and AE's in that port too, but the TF had 15+ ships in it and the two CV's needed not only sorties (ammo, bombs, torpedoes) but AA ammo and fuel.

I have a suggestion about why a CV would re-arm faster than a BB , but I'm hesitant to mention it. I'm almost afraid that before the elctrons are dry, some gray beard master chief is going to attack and insult my knowledge, understanding and even my man hood. But I'm going to make my suggestion after a couple of disclaimers.

1) Although I did serve in the USN/USNR , I never served on a Carrier, cruiser,destroyer,battleship or any thing else that floats , except a brief TDY assignment to a Frigate , and that ship (USS Constition) never left the pier so that doesn't count. (In my defense, no one took Boston while I was aboard her).
2) I've never been a master chief,Senior chief, indian chief,fire chief,chief chef,or any other kind of chief (except in boot camp I briefly became the "chief scullery minion").I don't know why, but for some reason that title, the phrase "I was there and you weren't" or "I read it in a book" all seem to have great magic power on these forums. I don't have or do magic. Go find a unicorn.
3) In short, I don't know nothing about nothing (This was said to save critics some time).

What I have noticed by working around various ships , including CVN's,DD's etc, (And living in a USN shipyard for two years where I watched refits on everything from SSN's to CVN's) is that CV's seem to load much faster than subs and surface ships as a result of handing space and handling devices. I've noticed that both during UNREPS (yes, I've watched a few) and from shore , carriers have massive wide open spaces (flight decks) that "stuff" can be stacked on and "dumped' (yes I know these are not correct Naval terms) to be "put away" later and quickly. A sub has one door way (Hatch, hole, passageway , whatever) that EVERYTHING has to go down and then someone has to find a "Home" for it. To a lesser degree , this is also true of surfaceships.

A carrier can (when shoreside) have a railroad car (or a truck container) hoisted aboard .Then as there are lots of devices for bringing "stuff" up (Airplane lifts/elevators, bomb lifts/elevators etc) which are designed to move big "Stuff" below rather quickly. I've never loaded a ship (or unloaded) but I've unloaded hundreds of trucks , and one thing I've noticed is that a palletized cargo can be unloaded VERY rapidly, where a UPS style, one box at a time loaded truck takes quite a bit longer.

As I said before , I've NO expertise on anything , but could this be a plausible explaination why CV's load faster than BB's? [&:]