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Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:36 pm
by FDRLincoln
I came up with this ship for War in the Pacific and am thinking about adding it for AE if I have the time to develop my own mod.

The idea is that the Dutch are influenced by the Swedish "aviation cruiser" Gotland and build a similar ship called Celebes. Here is a screenshot of the old WitP ship. It would be refittable as a CLAA armed with British equipment later in the war.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:38 pm
by DuckofTindalos
I remember you did that one (way back when). Added it to my own mod.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:39 pm
by FDRLincoln
I'm having trouble getting the screenshot to post.

It was a fun mod. Just lots of little toys, some real, some conjectural.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm
by FDRLincoln
Let's try again

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RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:59 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Remember that the Dutch had the Hazemeyer 40mm Bofors and not the 2pdr.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:23 pm
by FDRLincoln
Yeah, I know...that is a VERY old screenshot I found on my files. The final version had the Hazemeyer

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:25 am
by FDRLincoln
OK, here is the Dutch "Aviation cruiser" Celebes.

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RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:27 am
by FDRLincoln
Sorry about the too-big sizing there. Here is the Celebes as refitted by the British in late 1942.



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RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:28 am
by FDRLincoln
The type 279 radar is supposed to be "all sides" of course.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:21 am
by oldman45
You still have the art work and shills for it laying around?

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:11 am
by FDRLincoln
I never did art work...I just had the game use the artwork for the Dutch Tromp-class CL. Even if I had artwork, I've never figured out how to install new art properly. I need a tutorial with that.

The idea here is that in the 1930s the Dutch took the Swedish Gotland seaplane cruiser idea and built their own version on a Tromp-style hull. It seems like something the Dutch would have been interested in.

If you don't know about the Gotland, check wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Gotland_(1933)

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:19 am
by oldman45
Never read about that ship before. Interesting read, thanks.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:23 am
by DuckofTindalos
I would suggest that the Celebes would probably lose her seaplane capability in the mid- to late-war scheme of things. She would no longer be needed to patrol the DEI (lost to the Japs at this point) and all those planes are a massive fire hazard during air attack. Maybe rebuild her, Tromp-style, into a CLAA? The Gotland became a CLAA after spare parts for her Osprey flotplanes ran out.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:57 am
by oldman45
If nothing else, there would be no spare parts for the planes. How about converting her into a Seaplane tender? She has all that hanger space aft, would make a great area for repair shops.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:03 am
by DuckofTindalos
BTW, here's the ship art I made for the Celebes waaaaaay back in the day (the blurriness is due to resizing of a normal shipside .bmp and conversion to .jpg):

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RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:15 am
by DuckofTindalos
Here's a new one I just made, perhaps a bit more "in tune" with the ship's stats:

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RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:23 am
by FDRLincoln
Oh, that's great art!

I have thought about a "complete CLAA conversion" as well. I think I will work on of those up. It would be about mid-1943.

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:28 am
by FDRLincoln
Or there could be multiple possible upgrade paths...a mild refit with radar and extra AA but that retains her CS ability, or a refit that turns her into an AV (using the hangar as Oldman points out), or a full-scale CLAA conversion that strips out the hangar in exchange for British 4inch-DP and extra 40MM, or maybe one that keeps the hangar space but turns it into repair shops and makes her a small-but-fast AR.
 
 

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:46 pm
by oldman45
Looks good Terminus, can you post the art work so I can add it to my mod?

RE: Conjectural Dutch "Aviation Cruiser"

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:26 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Here we are. zip file includes side and shil files.