Request for and researh of CW/BW stuff
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:24 pm
About 4 years ago I was working in my store and had a conversation w/ one of my 80something male customers. he had hsi veteran hat on and so I chit chatted w/ him. I did ask him where he was located in ww2. he said he was assigned to a chemical weapons battalion stationed on Tinian island. I said" wait a minute, we did not use cw in ww2".
His reply" true, but we had a whole island in the pacific loaded w/ mustard gas to use on the japs if we had to invade them"
He also said his squad was the crew that loaded the bomb on the enola gay. He said the chemical battalion was assigned the maintenance chores associated w/ taking care of the attomic bombs.
As time has gone by I suspect the allies had a chemical response to the japs if the japs used cw/bw in operation Olympic. So I requested a scenario for the optional use of cw/bw/aw for both sides.
Bigred.
My initial response was that there would have to be research on the weapons and units - as well as consideration of effects.
Turns out the US started WWII with one cw unit - the 2nd Chemical Mortar Battalion - a redesignated 1st Chemical Mortar Battalion (1935) -
formed three more in 1942 (3rd, 81st and 84th) - and eventually 71 & 72, 80th, 82nd to 100th of which 99th and 100th were redesignated AAA bn.
They used a single weapon - a 4.1 inch mortar - derived from a WWI 4 inch Stokes Mortar. The CW round weighed 13 kg. Range from 1943 was nominally 4400 yards (4460 listed for the CW round, 3932 for White Phosperous, 4013 for HE). First technical issue: the WP and HE were so effective it is not clear that CW would actually cause more casualties! Weapon weight 131 kg (333 pounds). Crew ("squad") 7 men. ROF nominal 5 RPM (80 / hour sustained) by 1944.
UK had a similar weapon ML 4.2 inch Mortar from 1942. 4160 yards/10 rounds /min sustained (20 in first minute). weapon weight 602 pounds
Russia had a 107 mm (that is, 4.2 inch) M1938. 170 kg. 15 rounds per minute (initial?) 6900 yard range.
It appears the Allies concentrated cw delivery in a single caliber of weapon - at least on the ground. Several US Army commanders refused to allow a division in combat without a cw battalion. However - not for offensive cw purposes - merely because the mortar was so useful with WP and HE. Offensive use was contemplated for Operation Olympic and Operation Coronet - as Big Red reported above.
His reply" true, but we had a whole island in the pacific loaded w/ mustard gas to use on the japs if we had to invade them"
He also said his squad was the crew that loaded the bomb on the enola gay. He said the chemical battalion was assigned the maintenance chores associated w/ taking care of the attomic bombs.
As time has gone by I suspect the allies had a chemical response to the japs if the japs used cw/bw in operation Olympic. So I requested a scenario for the optional use of cw/bw/aw for both sides.
Bigred.
My initial response was that there would have to be research on the weapons and units - as well as consideration of effects.
Turns out the US started WWII with one cw unit - the 2nd Chemical Mortar Battalion - a redesignated 1st Chemical Mortar Battalion (1935) -
formed three more in 1942 (3rd, 81st and 84th) - and eventually 71 & 72, 80th, 82nd to 100th of which 99th and 100th were redesignated AAA bn.
They used a single weapon - a 4.1 inch mortar - derived from a WWI 4 inch Stokes Mortar. The CW round weighed 13 kg. Range from 1943 was nominally 4400 yards (4460 listed for the CW round, 3932 for White Phosperous, 4013 for HE). First technical issue: the WP and HE were so effective it is not clear that CW would actually cause more casualties! Weapon weight 131 kg (333 pounds). Crew ("squad") 7 men. ROF nominal 5 RPM (80 / hour sustained) by 1944.
UK had a similar weapon ML 4.2 inch Mortar from 1942. 4160 yards/10 rounds /min sustained (20 in first minute). weapon weight 602 pounds
Russia had a 107 mm (that is, 4.2 inch) M1938. 170 kg. 15 rounds per minute (initial?) 6900 yard range.
It appears the Allies concentrated cw delivery in a single caliber of weapon - at least on the ground. Several US Army commanders refused to allow a division in combat without a cw battalion. However - not for offensive cw purposes - merely because the mortar was so useful with WP and HE. Offensive use was contemplated for Operation Olympic and Operation Coronet - as Big Red reported above.