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I often use HQs for attack and defense and thus achieved considerable success.

Is it just me, or even think other, HQs are simply too strong to in the game?

Well, they are strangely useful if you overpower the enemy anyway and just need another side for the multiple sides attack bonus that's true[:D]
But if the HQ staff is killed the HQ will be less effective, so actual combat other than destroying small pockets imho not worth it.

If your question is whether the HQ is too strong in combat REGARDLESS of the side effect that your staff might be killed, I'd just say - the infantry of the HQ IS still regular infantry that can fight, so I don't see why it would be unreasonable

i would never ever use them for this role. they are far to important to use it in such a way. only exception under certain circumstances: positioning them in a way that makes a retreat impossible and thus forcing an ennemy unit to surrender.

but what i slowly have to accept is the use of artillery, aa, and at units as defenders in the front row without further protection. like any other units, if you attack them without reducing readiness and entrenchment before they will handle you heavy losses.

Yes, they feel overpowered based on my limited experience so far.

Ditto. I attacked a single German Corps HQ (unsupplied) after heavy air attacks, with a couple divisions and wasn't able to force a surrender (or retreat, and it had no hex to retreat into) for two times. I had to use almost a third of the Coastal Army to elimitate it!
Also, artillery units seems too resilent when attacked by other ground troops.

But an HQ represents all the support units, training cadres, replacements etc. in the Korps. Real life HQs do fight when they have to and they can fight effectively.

Maybe so but Corps and Army HQ's were never in the front lines on attack as they can be used now.

Maybe make them unable to attack...only defend?

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4

But an HQ represents all the support units, training cadres, replacements etc. in the Korps. Real life HQs do fight when they have to and they can fight effectively.

Yes, but you just look at the amount and composition of these troops.
Not exactly an elite group!

This is a problem that goes back at least all the way back to the original AT-WWII, they are far too powerful in combat. Strangely, the AI in AT and ATG realizes this ond often builds them in massive quantities and just squats in cities.

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

This is a problem that goes back at least all the way back to the original AT-WWII, they are far too powerful in combat. Strangely, the AI in AT and ATG realizes this ond often builds them in massive quantities and just squats in cities.

Thank you.
Maybe someone will solve this problem soon.

In the meantime it is easily addressed with a SSR, no HQ in attack.

i wouldn't mind an opponent attacking with his HQ. if i manage to encircle one and destroy it he will be punished enough for taking this risk.

ORIGINAL: Keunert

i wouldn't mind an opponent attacking with his HQ. if i manage to encircle one and destroy it he will be punished enough for taking this risk.

Sure, but I'm speaking when your opponent use it to encircle and destroy your unit.

I remember that in the previous title (WtP) you could use the engineer as scout unit given that even if attacked they were able to stand most the time, I thrown against this eng unit three French Cavalry units (they were brigade IIRC) and not only I lost the combat but I suffered more losses [:o]

@all,

I am going to make artillery,staff and flak a little bit more vulnerable in direct combat in probably patch 2.

best,
Vic

Thanks Vic, great support [:)]

ORIGINAL: Vic

@all,

I am going to make artillery,staff and flak a little bit more vulnerable in direct combat in probably patch 2.

best,
Vic

Proposal:
How about weaken the staff on defense a bit but weaken the staff extremely on offence?
Sounds realistic to me.

Why not remove most if not all of the infantry from HQ's? Another option would be giving them secondary infantry.

just start off by doing what you proposed and see how they feel. Don't go crazy, I actually like them like they are now

+1 on the HQ/ART units too strong!

Realistically, there isn't much chance an HQ should be able to resist fleeing before a 3-stack tank attack but it happens now a lot!

Troy