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Allied Ships
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CM Oglala, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Sicard
DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AVP Avocet, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AV Wright
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 4, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Bagley, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Turkey, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Helm, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dale, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DMS Perry, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DM Ramsay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVP Swan, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Ralph Talbot, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AG Aries, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Worden, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Pruitt, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Dolphin, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Castor, Bomb hits 1

Just started an new game [:D] Also POW and Repulse where sank (historical turn)

Yeah... I count 40 torpedo hits. One of the real problems, to me, is that there were only 40 torpedoes for the entire attack on the anchorage, but you can have 100%+ of those torpedoes hit on the ships in the harbor.

ORIGINAL: RevRick

Yeah... I count 40 torpedo hits. One of the real problems, to me, is that there were only 40 torpedoes for the entire attack on the anchorage, but you can have 100%+ of those torpedoes hit on the ships in the harbor.

Maybe an realstic problem but to often its seems that the attack at PH are less effetive than irl...

ORIGINAL: koontz

ORIGINAL: RevRick

Yeah... I count 40 torpedo hits. One of the real problems, to me, is that there were only 40 torpedoes for the entire attack on the anchorage, but you can have 100%+ of those torpedoes hit on the ships in the harbor.

Maybe an realstic problem but to often its seems that the attack at PH are less effetive than irl...

Dice really rolled your way this time. [8D]

the dice should always favors the good guys [8D]

"Maybe an realstic problem but to often its seems that the attack at PH are less effetive than irl..."

In my last few starts PH has been creamed, just flat out beat up on. I get 1 or 2 BB survivors at best, and the PBY's flame faster than flash paper.

This is with the RA mod, so I just take it with a grain of salt. It does keep the repair yards clear [;)]

Well, the Allies can lose just about everything there and still should win the game.

How many sunk ships?

Is FOW exaggerating the damage?

The Dec 7 Surprise setting doesn't make much of an impact. While the Historical First Turn makes a big difference to PH damage.

You can even start a game with Historical First Turn Off, and then have the Allies turn it back on before running the turn.

I've run a bunch of first turn with various combinations and Dec 7 Surprise setting has mild damage, while the Historical First Turn makes the big difference in Ships and Plane losses. Not a statistically valid analysis, but the cause and effect correlation was very clear.

Don't know if this is a bug or working as designed.

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Well, the Allies can lose just about everything there and still should win the game.

Not with me in command!

ORIGINAL: koontz

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Not a single BB sunk. I think only Pennsylvania is going to sink, and maybe Arizona and Nevada. So I don't think that was pretty good, just good.

Well, better than anything I have ever achieved.  I don't think I have ever match RL results for a real turn.  Testing?  Oh yeah, I can sink almost everything then.  [;)]  But, once I go for the actual turn.  Blah.  The dice gods are against me.  So much for careful planning.  [:D]
 
 
So, nice turn.  Good start.  If I had this result, I would seriously consider a 2nd day.  The opportunity is there to put 5xBB's permanently out of the game with a shot at 4 others.  I'd have to consider if that would be worth +40 pilots ... maybe.  It conceivably forces the allied player to have to put fast BB's into his Amphib forces in '43 if I can get enough of these preWar BB's.  That means fewer bombardments and fewer distractions in CV battles.  Yeah, I'd think about it.

ORIGINAL: koontz
Maybe an realstic problem but to often its seems that the attack at PH are less effetive than irl...

The truth is that the historical attack was about as successfull as posssible..., and way more effective than the Japanese had dared to hope. Virtually everything went the Japs way at PH except for the CV's not being there (and they knew that already). Anybody who sees the "historical" results as an "average result" is having a deluded pipedream.