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Richard III
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:22 am
by wodin
RE: Richard III
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:07 pm
by Dennistoun
I only bought Sharon K Penman's
"Sunne in Splendour" last night aswell...
RE: Richard III
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:26 pm
by redcoat
He came to a very sticky end at Bosworth. He was the last English monarch to die in battle.
Some Yorkists were present for much of the archaelogical excavation.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:39 pm
by wodin
Last of the Great Plantagenets aswell
RE: Richard III
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:48 pm
by parusski
ORIGINAL: teddy
I only bought Sharon K Penman's
"Sunne in Splendour" last night aswell...
I love Penman's books.
Sunne in Spendor was excellent.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:42 pm
by Zorch
The next step is to DNA test those 2 boys' bones they found in the Tower...they were Richard's nephews.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:46 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Zorch
The next step is to DNA test those 2 boys' bones they found in the Tower...they were Richard's nephews.
warspite1
Let's hope so - could help to piece another part of the jigsaw...
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:46 pm
by parusski
ORIGINAL: Zorch
The next step is to DNA test those 2 boys' bones they found in the Tower...they were Richard's nephews.
And that will be very interesting.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:46 pm
by decaro
ORIGINAL: wodin
Looks like they've found his Skull\skeleton under a car park...
The twist in his spine was clearly visible, but I doubt he was a hunchback; ole Will Shakespeare really did a hatchet job on him to please QE I.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:48 pm
by Titanwarrior89
Why was he so bad? I have read very little on him.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:13 pm
by parusski
ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89
Why was he so bad? I have read very little on him.
He is hated because he slept with Dutch women, which has been a sign of moral weakness for thousands of years.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:14 pm
by wodin
ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89
Why was he so bad? I have read very little on him.
Apparently the history of Richard III about being an evil tyrant may not be so true..The Richard III society is trying to show that actually alot written was propaganda and myth.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:57 pm
by parusski
ORIGINAL: wodin
ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89
Why was he so bad? I have read very little on him.
Apparently the history of Richard III about being an evil tyrant may not be so true..The Richard III society is trying to show that actually alot written was propaganda and myth.
Yeah, the are called Ricardians. I have just been reading the posts on the Wall Street Journal column about this. And man I had no idea that there was such passion about Richard III, on both sides.
Like this poster:
"The undisputed facts are that all of the Plantagenet heirs who stood in line to the thrown above Richard III disappeared as he rose to power. Only a fool would think Richard III was innocent. Shakespeare was not a fool or a tool of the Tudors"
Or this:
"Although Shakespeare is known to have altered chronology for dramatic effect, it is very likely that he was in possession of better information as to Richards character than is Andrew Roberts. It is also a bit droll that he indicts Stanley for turning his coat at Bosworth. Surely, Richard was not capable of such treachery."
Wonder who is right!
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:01 am
by Missouri_Rebel
I just remember the
Steely Dan Kings song that made a reference to the 'Good King Richard' with lyrics that mocked him. Killer tune btw.
I wonder if this song was about him?
'While he plundered far and wide
All his starving children cried
And though we sung his fame
We all went hungry just the same
He meant to shine
To the end of the line.
We seen the last of good King Richard
Ring out the past, his name lives on and on
Roll out the bones and raise up your pitcher
Raise up your glass to Good King John'
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:02 am
by Gilmer
"The undisputed facts are that all of the Plantagenet heirs who stood in line to the thrown above Richard III disappeared as he rose to power. Only a fool would think Richard III was innocent. Shakespeare was not a fool or a tool of the Tudors"
People like that amaze me. Did that guy live at the same time as Shakespeare and know him, gauging why he portrayed Richard III based on his replies? The Tudors could be pretty brutal at times as well.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:03 am
by parusski
ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel
I just remember the
Steely Dan Kings song that made a reference to the 'Good King Richard' with lyrics that mocked him. Jiller tune btw.
I wonder if this song was about him?
'While he plundered far and wide
All his starving children cried
And though we sung his fame
We all went hungry just the same
He meant to shine
To the end of the line.
We seen the last of good King Richard
Ring out the past, his name lives on and on
Roll out the bones and raise up your pitcher
Raise up your glass to Good King John'
I dunno, that "good King Richard..." part is just to vague.[8|]
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:13 am
by Missouri_Rebel
I dunno, that "good King Richard..." part is just to vague.
lol you asshat. I didn't know if there were several King Richards. English history is not one of my strong points. Neither is written English, but I do know it's TOO, not TO, you insufferable scamp.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:20 am
by Zorch
The Steely Dan song refers to Richard I, who ruled England from 1189-1199, and was succeeded by his brother John, as the Robin Hood legends tell.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:21 am
by Gilmer
King John Lackland succeeded King Richard the Lionheart. Maybe it is about Richard I the Lionheart? I don't know. Richard III was succeeded by Henry VII.
RE: Richard III
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:29 am
by parusski
ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel
I dunno, that "good King Richard..." part is just too vague.
lol you asshat. I didn't know if there were several King Richards. English history is not one of my strong points. Neither is written English, but I do know it's TOO, not TO, you insufferable scamp.
Moi?
I forgot you were from Mizzouri. Also, you paste-encrusted wangwipe, you learned what about to and too, I think all of have no idea to what you are referring. Churchill would be proud that I did not end that sentence in a preposition.