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I am about to start a GC and know from my own and other's experience that WITE is now out of balance with the German's having no chance of victory in 1941 or even of capturing Smolensk against a good Russian opponent.
My question therefore is simple
is the lost battles scenario more balance with 1.078
Or is it best to go back to an earlier patch

1.00
1.01
1.02 etc
I have all patches up to about 1.06

Any advice appreciated.

Matthew Buttsworth

I would go with the latest patch but add 10% morale to the Axis or add 5% Axis and minus 3% to Soviets.

what about -10 for soviets?

Many did not want to fight for stalin when war broke out.
Others did.

MB

I think that's too much. The problem is if you are playing PBEm or Server then whatever the setting is at start that's it for the entire war. Really I would just like to take 5 morale pts away from the Soviets in 1941 but you can't do that, the setting is 1941 to 1945.

I must work out how to do this

MB

Its in the options screen.

I am doing GHC +5 SHC -5

The minus to SHC is not going to really do anything to units 10 hexes off the front lines. National morale for all Axis minors and SHC is 50 no matter how low the manual says it is.

The minus will help some for the front line units.

Upping GHC morale is really the only way to counter act the poorly designed morale system, until the 10 hexes from the front morale issue is lowered to 45 instead of 50.

Righto
Am doing as is suggested with


Germans at 105 Russians 93

(It may be an overkill but I will report if it works)

MB

ORIGINAL: matt.buttsworth

Righto
Am doing as is suggested with


Germans at 105 Russians 93

(It may be an overkill but I will report if it works)

MB

I have tried it and +5/-5 seems to be working the best. SHC can still get some units to 50, but not the hole stinking front north to south by turn 4

Just stick a panzer corps in Romania and abuse the surprise turn a little bit more, and it's all good.

FWIW I only sent 1 SS Mot XX, GD REG and 2 ID. Not that it matters. I don't like it much either but I had to do it just once.

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Just stick a panzer corps in Romania and abuse the surprise turn a little bit more, and it's all good.

Its a what if, again GHC what ifs are no nos and SHC what ifs are fine.

The game simply was not even close to tested before the public got it.

We been basicly beta testing it for 2+ yrs now and still not 100%, but very close.

The Lvov pocket was historically possible, but I agree its getting a little out of control.

The fact is only a few guys do it and as can be seen if the GHC doesn't do it they are doomed by turn 10 now because of the completely screwed up morale rules.

Yes I forgot 1.06 screwed is screwed up because it did not fix ammo/refit/replacement bugs. So even if GHC does far better then historical they will end up with 1 million men in replacement pool and 10,000's of armaments, 100's of tanks ect ect ect.

1.07.08 is the best so far simply +5 GHC -5 SHC.

Probably no railing GHC units in Romania until turn 3 or 4

I have always railed the reserve Panzer Corps from AGS to Romania, even in version 1.0.0. Not much to do with it in the main thrust (takes two turns to reach the front) and by turn 3 the Romanians are usually at war. I tend to use them to drive on Odessa before it can dig in too much.

I think some would argue it has never been balanced with a lot of "house" rules.