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NM still broken? +10 hex /+75 bug?
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:35 am
by Peltonx
ORIGINAL: SigUp
As for the main discussion, I think all in all getting morale increases above NM should be much harder. I just noticed 78th Infantry Division back in East Prussia has experienced a bump of morale from 97 to 99 from turn 24 to 25. Then the distance should be increased. As has been stated before 10 hexes for the Soviets basically can serve as a reserve defensive line.
Morale should NOT be increasing above 50 10 hexes from the front.
It should only increase to 50 10 hexes from the front.
I will run some tests later today.
RE: NM still broken? +10 hex bug?
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:10 am
by Walloc
Just for fullness sake as to the rules. Actually there is provisions for going over 50 moral up too 75 moral.
From 9.1.1
The unit is in a very good supply and support situation and its morale is less than 75. If Die (75) is greater than the unit's morale than a gain for this situation is possible.
Any how that doesnt explain a 97 to 99 increase.
From my days playing the game it hasnt been unusual to see for example on refit +10 getting above 50. Since there is no way of knowing what exactly causing the moral increase of the options availble one cant say for certain, what causes the moral increase. Still its also been like this pre 1.07.06 that u see refitting russian getting above 50. It does goes very slow post 50, but u do see 51+ units. This could be cause of above rule and not from teh refit rule, but i doubt it as u also see it in russian inf divs in 41 where supply rarely is in a "very good" situasion.
Rasmus
RE: NM still broken? +10 hex bug?
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:37 am
by Peltonx
ORIGINAL: Walloc
Just for fullness sake as to the rules. Actually there is provisions for going over over 50 up too 75.
From 9.1.1
The unit is in a very good supply and support situation and its morale is less than 75. If Die (75) is greater than the unit's morale than a gain for this situation is possible.
Any how that doesnt explain a 97 to 99 increase.
From my days playing the game it hasnt been unusual to see for example on refit +10 getting above 50. Since there is no way of knowing what exactly causing the moral increase of the options availble one cant say for certain, what causes the moral increase. Still its also been like this pre 1.07.06 that u see refitting russian getting above 50. It does goes very slow post 50, but u do see 51+ units. This could be cause of above rule and not from teh refit rule, but i doubt it as u also see it in russian inf divs in 41 where supply rarely is in a "very good" situasion.
Rasmus
Before Morale was "fixed" I recorded data over 10 turns in several games and found that units were only gaining morale in the +10 area less then 5% of the time above 50.
I believe the chances are now 15% for a single pt going by 2by3's info over 50. The chances to get a pt drop from 60-70 and again 70-80.
In the case you state in rules that's
to 75 morale,
the unit in question gained 2 pts from 94 to 96.
That should not be happening.
Hmm I am sure its working as designed, but not as intended heheeh if this is the case