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Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:14 pm
by Buck Beach
I'm doing some research of early 1942 merchant ship movements (Fold 3 WW II War Diaries) . In Feb 1942 Cincpac pages, there are various references to Pacific Convoys going to and from the above locations.
Tried to embed a photo example but failed so here is a transcript example:
Convoys
#2033-6 ships, departed S.F. Feb. 12 for Xray
#2034-3 ships, " S.F. Feb. 18 for Xray
#2035-21 ships, " west coast Feb. 16 for Copper, ETA Feb. 28.
#2036-7 ships, " west coast Feb.25 for Copper.
#2037-12 ships, " west coast Feb.20 for Copper.
#4057-6 ships, " Copper Feb.13 for West Coast, ETA Feb. 28
#4058-15 ships " Copper Feb. 24 for West Coast.
Does anyone know where these locations are?
Buck
Holy Mackerel it looks like the embed worked sorry it is so large.

RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:27 pm
by LargeSlowTarget
"Bobcat" was the first codename for Bora Bora, after the codename for the construction unit sent there. It was later re-designated "Blueberry".
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:09 pm
by Buck Beach
One down, two to go.
Thanks Uwe
Buck
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:27 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Hm, "Copper" is about 2 weeks away from the West Coast. Maybe it can be narrowed down that way.
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:09 pm
by Buck Beach
FYI other Cincpac diaries shows trip between W.C.(Calif) and P.H.(or visa-verse) was around 7 to 10 days
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:15 pm
by JeffroK
I reckon one might be Samoa, in the right time period but cant see anything confirming it?
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:24 am
by Buck Beach
I was able to ascertain that Xray was further than Bobcat because there were several references of ships/convoys stopping off at Bobcat for fuel before proceeding to XRay.
I also found a record of a tow being abandoned by the Regulas on Dec 10, 1941 at 026 True 255 miles from Copper. "My course 123 speed 10"
Buck
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:42 am
by JeffroK
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/I/A ... l#coralsea
So urgent was the Pacific situation that the task force being prepared for Australia assumed top priority, while that for the Pacific island (FIVE ISLANDS) ranked second in importance, with the forces being prepared for European theaters following after.1 Task Force FIVE ISLANDS carried the basic air units for garrisoning the South Pacific islands, and these were as follows: (1) Fiji, to which the 70th Pursuit Squadron was en route; (2) Canton, to which the 68th Pursuit Squadron was assigned, but which it would never reach, going from Australia to Tongatabu; (3) Christmas, assigned the 12th Pursuit Squadron; (4) New Caledonia, whose 67th Pursuit Squadron originally had been directed to Australia; and (5) Palmyra, for which the 69th Pursuit Squadron had been earmarked. necessary ground services were allotted for each of the units, and in preparing them for shipment, al Arnold directed that they be afforded a high priority, both for personnel and equipment.13
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:43 am
by JeffroK
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
I was able to ascertain that Xray was further than Bobcat because there were several references of ships/convoys stopping off at Bobcat for fuel before proceeding to XRay.
I also found a record of a tow being abandoned by the Regulas on Dec 10, 1941 at 026 True 255 miles from Copper. "My course 123 speed 10"
Buck
http://www.regulus.8m.com/history.htm
On the morning of December 7th, the REGULUS was at Midway. There is nothing to indicate that the cargo ship which had so long been confined to shipyards, to the routine of chipping and painting, had suffered the fate of other portions of the U.S. Pacific Fleet: Staleness. She was prepared for her own peculiar action, the kind not always mentioned on the front pages of angry newspapers. Within a week she had crossed the submarine-infested Pacific and was funneling her essential cargo to the wounded and half-crippled ships lying around Ford Island. Peal Harbor became the home base of the REGULUS, and for one hard month she lived in the dreary underside of war, carrying more cargo to the forward bases, and then returning for more cargo. On 13 January 1942, she went to San Francisco, for a period of overhaul, having learned that a ship can suffer the wounds of war without once seeing a shell.
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:03 am
by Buck Beach
Thank you all.
Buck
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:03 pm
by LargeSlowTarget
Copper = Territory of Hawaii
See "Glossary of US Naval Code Words" at
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref ... P-474.html
It does not include "Xray", but the introduction says the glossary is incomplete...
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:54 pm
by JeffroK
Makes sense with regard to the movements of the Regulus, I thought I had looked at that table, maybe I should wear my glasses more!
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:36 pm
by Buck Beach
Wow its a surprise to me the trip time to Hawaiian waters took that long. I made the trip to Pearl in 1961 in 5 days on a MATS transit ship.
Thanks again Uwe.
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:25 am
by inqistor
If Bobcat is for Bora Bora, I would guess Xray would be from X-MASS. I can not think anything else having something common with "X"
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:22 pm
by Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: inqistor
If Bobcat is for Bora Bora, I would guess Xray would be from X-MASS. I can not think anything else having something common with "X"
I sort of feel, from some of the other "War Diares", that X-Ray was further west between Bora Bora and Australia or New Zealand. Could have been Noumea.
Buck
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:22 pm
by Symon
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
I sort of feel, from some of the other "War Diares", that X-Ray was further west between Bora Bora and Australia or New Zealand. Could have been Noumea.
Buck
I do believe X-Ray would be Brisbane. Did some research on convoy 2033 and found it was escorted by CA New Orleans. So, thinks I, it’s time to go to the Disposition Day Book and see what was up with New Orleans for February. Wouldn’t ya know it, found New Orleans (Feb., page -2-) and the entry is:
(xix) U.S. convoy (6 merchant ships) escorted by U.S. Cruiser (8”) “New Orleans” is en route Brisbane from U.S. West Coast approx. E.T.A. 5/3.
February … Daily Appreciation – Pacific Naval Activity; Dispositions Allied and Enemy Naval Forces. Significantly, it’s listed under the .. B) ANZAC AREA: British and Allied Forces heading.
So, knowing the ETA, I skipped down to May and found the following on page -1-, A) ANZAC AREA: British and Allied Forces:
A) (iv) U.S. Convoy 2033 (6 merchant ships) escorted by U.S. 8" Cruiser “NEW ORLEANS” is on route Brisbane from U.S. West Coast E.T.A. 1700 today 5/3.
So whatcha think? Brisbane? It sure as heck isn't Christmas, that was Birch.
Ciao. JWE
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:02 pm
by Symon
Oh, yes. I tnank all you pathetic little clones for your pms suggesting this is all fake. You kept it all private, otherwise I would spread your logins everywhere.
Just FYI, here's a screenie of the requisite pages. So go away and urinate on an ecectrical fire somewhere.

RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:42 pm
by PaxMondo
John,
You worry too much about others' opinions. Kick back! Enjoy a beverage!* Think: "da islands Man!" [8D]
* I ever get south, we'll have a cooler full. [;)]
RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:19 pm
by Buck Beach
It is not an important issue but I am now thinking Xray was Sydney. I found a Cinpac Diary entry that the USS Flusser had departed XRay for Noumea. Continued next post

RE: Code Name locations Copper, Xray, Bobcat
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:23 pm
by Buck Beach
Now from the War Diary of the USS Flusser while she was in port in Sydney.
Thank you all for your help.
Buck