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This is a near future scenario featuring a small conflict between India and South Africa. I would be grateful for any feedback regarding the scenario. I hope people enjoy it. Thanks.

Your side briefing says "Indian fishing trawlers are moving to a rendevous point outside of South Africa's Exclusive Economic Zone. Guide these vessels to the rendevous point and protect them from attack." However, I don't see any rendezvous indicated on the map. I'm assuming that the little blue "A" on the bottom left of each of the fishing boats mean they are under automatic control, so I'm guessing they know where to go, but I don't know where that is.

Yes, exactly. The little A means the fishing boats are allies, but they are their own side, and not under the player's control. But, yes, the fishing boats know where to go. Your job is just to make sure they get there safe and sound. (I suppose I could have marked this with reference points on the map for the Indian player, but it did not seem necessary. Sorry for any confusion.)

Hey Mark,

Nice little one [:)]

Would you consider it "release-grade" (i.e it gets included by Miguel on the next scen pack release), or still needing work?

Thanks!

Wow this was really difficult. I guess I'll be going to that Board of Inquiry! Minor Defeat -100

************* SPOILER ALERT ********************

23 Grizzlys to shoot down two aircraft!

Didn't even detect the submarine(s).

SIDE: India
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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48x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
23x SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]
4x SA-N-11a Grisom [9M311K]
8x SS-N-27 Sizzler [3M54E1 Klub]



SIDE: South Africa
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LOSSES:
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2x JAS 39C Gripen
2x C-47TP Turbo Dakota [DC-3] MPA
1x F 145 Amatola [Meko A-200SAN]
1x S 101 Manthatisi [Type 209-1400 Heroine]
1x Lynx Mk64


EXPENDITURES:
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4x GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB [Mk82]
8x 27mm Mauser BK-27 Burst [30 rnds]
22x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
4x SUT Mod 264
16x Umkhonto-IR Mk1
4x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
8x 35mm Twin Denel (LIW) Burst [20 rnds]
4x Ultra Barricade Chaff Rocket LR



SIDE: Indian Fishermen
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LOSSES:
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4x Commercial Trawler [800t DWT]

ORIGINAL: Sunburn

Hey Mark,

Nice little one [:)]

Would you consider it "release-grade" (i.e it gets included by Miguel on the next scen pack release), or still needing work?

Thanks!

I think it's about ready to go, but I'm going to wait a day or so more and see if anyone spots any mistakes that have to be fixed.

Yeah, I had trouble with the Grizzly's, kept say they self destructed because of a illumination issue.....odd...once that FFG was lost it was easy pickings for the Grippens.

Here is what I mean..



Ship is in manual attack mode....Hold fire

10/24/2023 3:49:49 AM - South Africa: New contact! Designated VAMPIRE #62 - Detected by Gripen #4 [Sensors: PS-05/A] at 115deg - 28.6NM

10/24/2023 3:50:06 AM - South Africa: New contact! Designated VAMPIRE #63 - Detected by Gripen #4 [Sensors: PS-05/A] at 114deg - 21.3NM

10/24/2023 3:50:40 AM - South Africa: New contact! Designated SKUNK #64 - Detected by Gripen #3 [Sensors: PS-05/A] at 74deg - 107.7NM

10/24/2023 3:50:43 AM - India: Contact: Multirole #97 has been classified as: JAS 39C Gripen - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by Sensor: Generic TV Camera at 23 nm)

10/24/2023 3:50:43 AM - India: Contact: Multirole #99 has been classified as: JAS 39C Gripen - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by Sensor: Generic TV Camera at 24.1 nm)

10/24/2023 3:50:48 AM - India: Weapon (SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]) cannot have its target illuminated... self-destructing.

10/24/2023 3:50:48 AM - South Africa: Contact VAMPIRE #62 has been lost.

10/24/2023 3:50:52 AM - India: Weapon (SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]) cannot have its target illuminated... self-destructing.

10/24/2023 3:50:52 AM - South Africa: Contact VAMPIRE #63 has been lost.


Not sure what good the Grizzly is if it self destructs. Now it did kill the C-47 so I am not sure what is going on.

Good job, nice and small.
I also have trouble killing those Gripens, especially with those beam riding(i think thats what they are doing) SS-N-11, this gives them a pure-pursuit course and a low Pk on a beam-aspect.

I also had a interesting engagement with the sub, which i lost[:D].

I had a lot of fun!

Downloading for testing Mark

I've had a lot of fun playing it, I've lost one frigate and 3 fishermen, one of them due to the sub. Enemy sub and a frigated destroyed, some ac shotdown. I found myself bitting my nails as the Grippen were overflying my Krivak at 40000 feet and its Sa-N-11 were not able to engage them that high.

Nice scenario!

ORIGINAL: Sunburn

Hey Mark,

Nice little one [:)]

Would you consider it "release-grade" (i.e it gets included by Miguel on the next scen pack release), or still needing work?

Thanks!

Looks like people are enjoying it. I can't think of anything else that needs to be fixed or changed. Besides just saying, "Miguel, please consider this for inclusion in the next scen pack release," is there anything I need to do? Thanks.

ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2

Good job, nice and small.
I also have trouble killing those Gripens, especially with those beam riding(i think thats what they are doing) SS-N-11, this gives them a pure-pursuit course and a low Pk on a beam-aspect.

I noticed in one AAR that the Gripens used up 22 chaff containers, and still lost two of the four aircraft, so I wonder if part of it is that the JAS 39 is just harder to hit--it is a fast, nimble aircraft with good anti-missile defenses. Maybe the Grizzly missiles are self-destructing because the chaff keeps them from getting a good fix on their target? I don't know, but maybe that explains how hard it was to hit them.

There are five Indian trawlers (Geeta, Varsha, Neha, Sita, Posha), however I noticed that there are only four events for trawlers reaching the destination (Posha is missing). You still get penalized for Posha getting sunk, but you won't get the reward when it reaches the destination.

Another issue with the scenario (at least in 1.06) is that the South African Gripens never attack the trawlers. See: tm.asp?m=3789527
Would it be possible to get the scenario updated?

I've created a revised version and will posting it in a new discussion thread. Thanks for the feedback. This was one of my first scenarios, and I'm glad to see people are still finding it interesting.

Final score: 200, minor victory.

SIDE: India
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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13x SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]
1x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
2x Barak I
8x SS-N-27 Sizzler [3M54E1 Klub]
14x SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35 Uran]
2x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
1x A.244S

SIDE: South Africa
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LOSSES:
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4x JAS 39C Gripen
1x Lynx Mk64
1x F 145 Amatola [Meko A-200SAN]
1x S 101 Manthatisi [Type 209-1400 Heroine]


EXPENDITURES:
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4x Mk82 500lb LDGP
1x 27mm Mauser BK-27 Burst [30 rnds]
7x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
16x Umkhonto-IR Mk1
2x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
8x Ultra Barricade Chaff
5x Ultra Barricade Chaff Rocket LR
3x SUT Mod 264
2x Generic Acoustic Decoy

SIDE: Indian Fishermen
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LOSSES:
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3x Commercial Trawler [800t DWT]

The aircraft scored a hit, which signaled the beginning of the hostilities, and were subsequently all recycled in energy and debris. The Amatelo then received our regards and is now an eternal grave for its sailors.
The surprise came from the Manthatisi as she was able to sink two trawlers before being processed accordingly.

All in all it was enjoyable.