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Impossible to assign offensively surprise points (solved)

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:21 pm
by Joseignacio
- Port attack at the declaration of war by Eng and Fr, bomber to Kiel. Rolls 1 for allied, 10 for Axis. 4 points spent to send AA fire to 0, the rest are not posible to assign to increase damage.

- Overrun of polish ships at start of German invasión of poland: A German nav is waiting and finds both scs and convoy. Same happens with surprise, I have plenty but the game wont offer me to use it.


RE: Impossible to assign offensively surprise points

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:46 pm
by lomyrin
I just now reran the surprise port attack on Kiel on my computer

After you reduce the German AA fire to nothing using 4 surprise points the game makes you first go through the motions of executing the form for reduction of bomber strength even if there is no rduction. After you have completed that one the game continues to the use of remaining surprise points to increase your attack strength.

In many instances the game in computer logic fashion has to take it in very incremental steps in order to not make a mistake somewhere.

RE: Impossible to assign offensively surprise points

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:53 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: lomyrin

I just now reran the surprise port attack on Kiel on my computer

After you reduce the German AA fire to nothing using 4 surprise points the game makes you first go through the motions of executing the form for reduction of bomber strength even if there is no rduction. After you have completed that one the game continues to the use of remaining surprise points to increase your attack strength.

In many instances the game in computer logic fashion has to take it in very incremental steps in order to not make a mistake somewhere.
Did Lars' answer, answer your question? Or is there still a problem?

RE: Impossible to assign offensively surprise points

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:37 pm
by Joseignacio
Steve, that`s not what I remember, and the result applied for a bomber with 1 factor I don't think is what I saw, I will run it again, fortunately I am few phases away and the savegames need to be untouched.

Edit: This time it happened correctly. Maybe I was wrong although I have some reserves about this, for it happened to me twice. But for now, it Works.

RE: Impossible to assign offensively surprise points

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:19 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Steve, that`s not what I remember, and the result applied for a bomber with 1 factor I don't think is what I saw, I will run it again, fortunately I am few phases away and the savegames need to be untouched.

Edit: This time it happened correctly. Maybe I was wrong although I have some reserves about this, for it happened to me twice. But for now, it Works.
If you only have 1 surprise point left, then the game skips the surprise subphase since you can't buy anything with 1 point. Maybe that's what happened.

RE: Impossible to assign offensively surprise points

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:26 am
by Joseignacio
Steve, I think there should be more than one. It was a surprise impulse, and I had good rolls, the port attack was from a Land Based bomber (not a naval tho). So, I only had to decrease their (already halved by surpise impulse) small fleet flak (2 columns) and 1 or 2 points for Land Based-Major Port. There should be at least 2 maybe up to like 10 surprise points to assign.

All the same, when I found the polish ship and the convoy rebasing separately by overrun, forced to do it through the 0 box, with my NAV in the 3 box (equivalent to 4), that's is 4 point of surprise, plus the rolls, I had no flak to counter and had 2 nav factors, I made the minimum damage, 2 abort. In fact, I think I had a lot of surprise (i guess because of the benefits of surprise impulse too).

But, well, it maybe the game works wrong sometimes and others no, but it seems more probable that I got it wrong, let's assume I did (IMO) unless more people have the same problem.