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I notice some people don't want the manuals, and just want the digital download.

When one of you do decide to buy the game, contact me and then set it up to ship the manuals to my friend, who will give you the money via Paypal for shipping. (And his postal address)

You won't need the disk or the serial number because you already have them from the digital download and the email that comes with it. My friend will destroy the disk and the serial number upon receipt. He just wants the manuals.

Does that sound fair? And is that sort of arrangement ok with Matrix, or not? We won't do anything that isn't approved by Matrix. We have the utmost respect for their incredible hard work. I personally bought the disk and the maps on the very first day (we play hotseat on same computer).

If it is ok with Matrix, and there are more people who don't want the manuals, and more people that want only the manuals, maybe they can speak up and we can get an exchange going (but I get first dibs).

Forgive me if this idea has already been pitched (especially if pitched and shot down).

Where is your friend located?

Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

I might be able to do so, with two major caveats:
1) I don't know when I will travel back to the US where the books are; and
2) the few times I go back to the US I have lots of things to do and might not have time to ship them.

Please pm me with your e-mail and I'll let you know when/if I'm in a position to do so. In the meantime you should keep looking...

Also, just out of curiousity, your friend obviously doesn't have the game (or he'd have the books as well), so why does he want the books?

ORIGINAL: vollman


Does that sound fair? And is that sort of arrangement ok with Matrix, or not? We won't do anything that isn't approved by Matrix. We have the utmost respect for their incredible hard work. I personally bought the disk and the maps on the very first day (we play hotseat on same computer).

Why not either send him yours, or send him the pdfs? Or print out the pdfs.

ORIGINAL: vollman
..(we play hotseat on same computer)

Sorry, I missed this in your original post, I guess that's why he wants the books.

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Why not either send him yours, or send him the pdfs? Or print out the pdfs.

Because I like my books! I don't want to give them away. And they're very nice books, have you seen them? Not nearly as good as a PDF!

I just saw lots of posts from people who don't want the books, they just want a digital download of the game.

Rather than let those books go to waste, we just thought we could take the books, and the shipping cost, out of your hands. Especially if that's the only thing stopping you from buying the game.

Just an idea.

ORIGINAL: vollman

I notice some people don't want the manuals, and just want the digital download.

When one of you do decide to buy the game, contact me and then set it up to ship the manuals to my friend, who will give you the money via Paypal for shipping. (And his postal address)

You won't need the disk or the serial number because you already have them from the digital download and the email that comes with it. My friend will destroy the disk and the serial number upon receipt. He just wants the manuals.

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Hmm. If I understand it correctly, you expect someone to send you the manuals and the DVD. Why the DVD? Ah I see, your friend will of course destroy it right upon receipt and will of course not even bother to look at the serial number for a single second. [8|]

Something smells here...

Well the DVD is actually in the 1st manual so you cannot seperate the two items.

ORIGINAL: vollman

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Why not either send him yours, or send him the pdfs? Or print out the pdfs.

Because I like my books! I don't want to give them away. And they're very nice books, have you seen them? Not nearly as good as a PDF!

I just saw lots of posts from people who don't want the books, they just want a digital download of the game.

Rather than let those books go to waste, we just thought we could take the books, and the shipping cost, out of your hands. Especially if that's the only thing stopping you from buying the game.

Just an idea.

Yes I've seen them. The reason people don't want the books is because they have to pay shipping for something that they get in pdf form anyway.

So, why should someone buy the game, of which the manuals are part of, pay the shipping costs, then give them away?

I'm buying the game soon. I don't want the printed manuals. But since I'm paying for them, I'm not going to give them away.

ORIGINAL: Hotschi

ORIGINAL: vollman

I notice some people don't want the manuals, and just want the digital download.

When one of you do decide to buy the game, contact me and then set it up to ship the manuals to my friend, who will give you the money via Paypal for shipping. (And his postal address)

You won't need the disk or the serial number because you already have them from the digital download and the email that comes with it. My friend will destroy the disk and the serial number upon receipt. He just wants the manuals.

...

Hmm. If I understand it correctly, you expect someone to send you the manuals and the DVD. Why the DVD? Ah I see, your friend will of course destroy it right upon receipt and will of course not even bother to look at the serial number for a single second. [8|]

Something smells here...

That's exactly what I plan to do. Someone is sending me the manuals and I will destroy the DVD (burn) along with any other information that could come with it.

If they send you the books as a gift you wont get charged VAT anyway..just the shipping..just a thought.

ORIGINAL: Aurelian


Yes I've seen them. The reason people don't want the books is because they have to pay shipping for something that they get in pdf form anyway.

So, why should someone buy the game, of which the manuals are part of, pay the shipping costs, then give them away?

I'm buying the game soon. I don't want the printed manuals. But since I'm paying for them, I'm not going to give them away.

Ok maybe I didn't explain that well enough.

The whole idea is that my friend would pay the shipping costs, not you. And you'd arrange for the printed manuals to go to him, not you.

And that's actually the whole point.

Some people don't want the manuals, and don't want the shipping costs, so I'm trying to alleviate that problem for at least one person!

Does that make sense?

ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Well the DVD is actually in the 1st manual so you cannot seperate the two items.

Not clear--if you can't separate them, how can someone use or destroy the DVD? Surely you can separate them?

ORIGINAL: Hotschi

Hmm. If I understand it correctly, you expect someone to send you the manuals and the DVD. Why the DVD? Ah I see, your friend will of course destroy it right upon receipt and will of course not even bother to look at the serial number for a single second. [8|]

Something smells here...

That's not very nice! [:-]

The DVD comes with the manuals. That's why the DVD.

You should have asked the question and then waited for an answer before passing such harsh judgment. But I am sorry that my idea wasn't clear, and led you into that dark line of thinking. If I thought Matrix was getting ripped off I'd speak up too, and perhaps too quickly as well. Sorry for any embarrassment.

ORIGINAL: vollman
Ok maybe I didn't explain that well enough.

The whole idea is that my friend would pay the shipping costs, not you. And you'd arrange for the printed manuals to go to him, not you.

And that's actually the whole point.

Some people don't want the manuals, and don't want the shipping costs, so I'm trying to alleviate that problem for at least one person!

Does that make sense?

Actually I think that I (and maybe Aurelian) misunderstand your proposal--you are proposing that someone that has NOT YET ORDERED the game and does not want the books send them to your friend? I guess I was being dense and thought that you were asking for someone that had already purchased the game to do so. What you are saying makes much more sense...

ORIGINAL: 76mm

Actually I think that I (and maybe Aurelian) misunderstand your proposal--you are proposing that someone that has NOT YET ORDERED the game and does not want the books send them to your friend? I guess I was being dense and thought that you were asking for someone that had already purchased the game to do so. What you are saying makes much more sense...

Yes that is it exactly, thank you.

Vollmann, why do you insist on both manuals and DVD to be shipped? I know that the DVD is enveloped inside manual volume 1, I know all comes in one shipment.

If you only want the manuals, anybody could ship his manuals to you, it makes no difference whether he/she already ordered the game yet. Anybody who already has the manuals could easily remove his DVD and ship the books - no need to send the DVD plus serial.

And if someone orders the game today and agrees to such a deal, you and this person will have to sort it out yourself without any interference by matrixgames or Plimus anyway. I purchased a lot of games via Plimus, and in no instance I remember them asking where I want to have the pyhsical content shipped to. They always ship to the billing adress. Again, no need to send the DVD plus serial.

Your insistence on having the DVD (which has the serial printed on it) shipped as well, makes your whole proposal suspicious to me.

If you find someone naive enough to give away his serial to a complete stranger, trusting that this person will NOT misuse the serial, you're lucky. Hey, we're talking about a piece of software with a prize tag of about 112 Euros (or USD eqivalent) and taking the risk of screwing the use of it (playing online).

True, you and your friend could very well be the most honest persons living on this whole planet - but who knows? Ask yourself, would you yourself give away your credit card, to , let's say. ME, on the simple promise that I will not look at it and destroy your card as soon as I get it? I very much doubt it.

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: vollman
Ok maybe I didn't explain that well enough.

The whole idea is that my friend would pay the shipping costs, not you. And you'd arrange for the printed manuals to go to him, not you.

And that's actually the whole point.

Some people don't want the manuals, and don't want the shipping costs, so I'm trying to alleviate that problem for at least one person!

Does that make sense?

Actually I think that I (and maybe Aurelian) misunderstand your proposal--you are proposing that someone that has NOT YET ORDERED the game and does not want the books send them to your friend? I guess I was being dense and thought that you were asking for someone that had already purchased the game to do so. What you are saying makes much more sense...

Well, he wants the DVD too. Why does he want the DVD? And let's say I buy the game today. Plimus is going to ship it to my billing address. Now, if I put down someone else's address to ship it to, said person will get the game free. As the dvd is included with the manuals.

The entire mess is avoided if he just prints out the pdf files.

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Well the DVD is actually in the 1st manual so you cannot seperate the two items.

Not clear--if you can't separate them, how can someone use or destroy the DVD? Surely you can separate them?

He means as far as shipping them goes. They go to one address.