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Persian Partisan
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:11 pm
by celebrindal
This is most likely a bug, we have a partisan in Persia. He couldn't move, and the Russians are unable to attack him.
We are using version 1.07
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:03 am
by paulderynck
Looks like Persia is controlled by the Axis and so that partisan is on the Allied side. Whoever controls the partisan can move it out of the way, although it cant stack with Allied units.
If something else weird has happened - like the partisan came on as anti-Russian and then moved to an axis hex - then it's a bug.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:33 am
by celebrindal
I'd have to let my russian counterpart answer for sure, but as far as I know it showed up to attack the russians. They invaded persia and persian control was given to the germans.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:11 pm
by markb50k
Right but once Persia is controlled by a major power any partisans always fight against the controlling power. It's a red country
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:35 pm
by celebrindal
Persia hadn't been conquered yet.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:42 pm
by Numdydar
It is owned by Germany so the partiion is fighing against Germany, not Russia, since Germany is the controling major power. Once Russia fully conqueres Persia, then the partisians will fight against Russia if my understanding of this is correct [:)]
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:47 pm
by Centuur
ORIGINAL: Numdydar
It is owned by Germany so the partiion is fighing against Germany, not Russia, since Germany is the controling major power. Once Russia fully conqueres Persia, then the partisians will fight against Russia if my understanding of this is correct [:)]
Correct. No bug.
The same thing happens f.e. in India or in French Indo China. Now, Persia is neutral at start, but that doesn't mean this rule doesn't apply. As soon a Red partisan country becomes active, the side which controls the country, doesn't control the partisan.
So in this case the Germans aligned Persia. In the following Partisan phase, an Allied controlled partisan appears (since Germany still controls Persia). If during the conquest phase, Persia is conquered by the USSR, the Partisan immediately changes side and becomes controlled by Italy (closes MP capital...).
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:59 pm
by celebrindal
ah we were under the impression it was a partisan against the Russians.. makes sense now. was wondering why I couldn't move it as the germans.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:51 pm
by Dabrion
Who controls Persia? Is it axis or commies rushing in? Can't see from the screenshot
Apologies, was answered. Then it is a RU controlled PART.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:27 pm
by AxelNL
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Who controls Persia? Is it axis or commies rushing in? Can't see from the screenshot
Apologies, was answered. Then it is a RU controlled PART.
Looking at the color it is (free) French.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:54 pm
by Dabrion
True, seems unusual. Is the FF capital in Syria?
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:01 pm
by celebrindal
No France hasn't fallen yet, is close but not yet..
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:18 pm
by Dabrion
In that case, Moscow dist(35), Paris dist (61). Shouldn't the PART for red countries be controlled by the closest MP on the opposite side (capital to capital distance)?
p.s.: would be nice to have the <Enter> key work in the distance calculator when selecting cities/ports.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:27 pm
by AxelNL
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
In that case, Moscow dist(35), Paris dist (61). Shouldn't the PART for red countries be controlled by the closest MP on the opposite side (capital to capital distance)?
Technically, yes, but if it is a bug it makes that the partisan is in the spirit of the red countries that it also doesn't want to be controlled by the invading country.
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:03 pm
by Dabrion
Even then Chunking is dist(57). It seems MWiF falsely includes controlled minor country capitals into the list to determine the control. In that case it would have found French controlled Damascus dist (16) to be closest, thus assigning PART control to France. FF capital in Damascus has been ruled out. Closer would be Baghdad dist(9), Kuwait dist(9), Riyadh (15), which would then be neutral minors.
Or USSR is not at war with GE yet (likely) so that France is the closest MP at war with GE. In that case French control is correct. Still a strange sight, I am sure have never seen it
How did Persia survive a turn anyways?
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:46 pm
by paulderynck
Worth noting here for any WiF grognards stumbling upon this discussion that a deviation in RAC says: "There are 3 additional ‘red’ countries in MWIF: Iraq, Persia, and Saudi Arabia."
So yes the partisan must be French controlled because France has the nearest capital of a country at war with Persia's controller (Germany).
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:46 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Even then Chunking is dist(57). It seems MWiF falsely includes controlled minor country capitals into the list to determine the control. In that case it would have found French controlled Damascus dist (16) to be closest, thus assigning PART control to France. FF capital in Damascus has been ruled out. Closer would be Baghdad dist(9), Kuwait dist(9), Riyadh (15), which would then be neutral minors.
Or USSR is not at war with GE yet (likely) so that France is the closest MP at war with GE. In that case French control is correct. Still a strange sight, I am sure have never seen it
How did Persia survive a turn anyways?
From RAC 13.1,
Getting Partisans: "There are 3 additional 'red' countries in MWIF: Iraq, Persia, and Saudi Arabia".
Controlling Partisans: "Partisans in 'red' countries are controlled by the nearest major power currently at war with the major power that controls the country."
Germany controls Persia. Germany is at war with France and the Commonwealth. The French capital (Paris) is closer to Teheran than the Commonwealth capital (London).
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:05 pm
by Dabrion
Ok new partisan table, I am *not* surprised. Keep it coming.. It is funny how we will need a MOD to play actual WiF in the end
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:26 am
by paulderynck
You previously posted this:
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Or USSR is not at war with GE yet (likely) so that France is the closest MP at war with GE. In that case French control is correct. Still a strange sight, I am sure have never seen it
so how come you didn't know Persia was red then?
RE: Persian Partisan
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:06 am
by Dabrion
I didn't, it was mentioned in the thread somewhere so I accounted for that possibility.
In fact I might have edited it after your post.. judging from the timestamps