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This is in my AAR.

I am trying to make an attack on Baghdad but I am having supply issues getting across the desert.

Syria is conquered by Italy, and I have the Yugoslavian HQ Prince Paul two hexes east of Damascus. Graziani the Italian HQ moves 1 hex east of Prince Paul but none of the other units can now draw supply from Graziani who is now in range of them.

Saved game attached. NOTE: Graziani sometimes shows up as in supply then goes out of supply, in fact he is given the option to do emergency hq support so the code definitely sees some issue there.

screenshot

here it shows momentarily the Italian HQ out of supply, but he goes back in supply on reloads. but that still doesn't help the other troops who then should be in supply when Graziani gets supply.

Either way, Graziani should be in supply all the time, drawing supply from Prince Paul

I assume the Yugoslavs are aligned with Italy here - otherwise Graziani should always be OOS where he is... because:

Supply is traced from the unit to be supplied and cannot go via any secondary supply source it does not cooperate with. (This was clarified in the FAQ and I'd be surprised if it's not mentioned in the RAC.) So the German units will be OOS unless they trace only through Graziani and/or Damascus before going to a Primary source (or yet again a cooperating secondary). Also every desert hex you trace through costs 2 of your basic 4 hex path.

If you take Graziani in-hand and set him back down, you may get a supply recalc without having to reload. Seems to me this was happening when I beta tested 1.1.7.2 which is now released.

Regardless, with this screen shot, only the hexes containing the Italian 3-2, 4-5 and 2-3 will be in supply even when Graziani is in supply (unless there are more Italians under the German Eng.)

It is quite hard to attack Baghdad overland from the west, especially with a mix of minors that don't cooperate with some of the majors involved.

Yes, Yugo is aligned with Italy.

Yes, I understand that the Germans won't ever be in supply.

No, picking up Graziani and placing him down doesn't have any affect.

The Italian forces you mentioned that are less than or equal to 2 desert hex away from Graziani are the ones I am concerned with. They should be in supply and since they are not, I think it is a bug.

Thanks

Does this mean the Germans should be out of supply?

The Yugo cannot be part of his secondary supply path tracing... iirc.

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

Does this mean the Germans should be out of supply?

Yes they should be OOS and they are OOS in the screen shot.

ORIGINAL: markb50k

Yes, Yugo is aligned with Italy.

Yes, I understand that the Germans won't ever be in supply.

No, picking up Graziani and placing him down doesn't have any affect.

The Italian forces you mentioned that are less than or equal to 2 desert hex away from Graziani are the ones I am concerned with. They should be in supply and since they are not, I think it is a bug.

Thanks

Checked the save - I think it's a bug too.

Confirmed - Damascus is drawing supply from Aswan as it looks. Bit of a strange source. I think the algorithm has problems with finding supply routes for Damascus as it is used by the Yug HQ and most ports to go to are german controlled.

Very weird since the Italian controlled port of tripoli is right next to Damascus ...

Given that I still don't understand how that can effect this situation. It seems Damascus is getting supply fine since the Yug HQ is successfully drawing supply from it. The issue is that the Italy HQ is not considering the Yug HQ when looking for supply sources

Yes, who controls any of the ports should not matter as long as it's the Axis.

Haven't provided a save game, but yes having the same issues. Though the exit reload has been resolving it.

I have a different bug now down there that i'll post and upload a file for. Not sure if it's related or not..

ORIGINAL: markb50k

Very weird since the Italian controlled port of tripoli is right next to Damascus ...

Given that I still don't understand how that can effect this situation. It seems Damascus is getting supply fine since the Yug HQ is successfully drawing supply from it. The issue is that the Italy HQ is not considering the Yug HQ when looking for supply sources

This savegame is working as it should in the latest alpha 1.1.7.9
I think we are getting close to the public beta of the supply release.

With new beta, still have a bug in Syria. Hope this is me just getting something wrong but it seems pretty cut and dry.

screenie:

save game

in fact, seems two bugs? The Yugo unit should be able to trace supply to Prince Paul, and I'm not sure why the Syrian territorial IS able to. Syria shouldn't be cooperating with Yugo I don't think.

USING SAME SAVE GAME..

British Somaliland Territorial is out of supply even though the Indian INF in the same hex IS IN supply.

Another using same save game. looks like problems with territorials.

French territorial with open sea lanes to US, Senegal, wherever you want. Not using overseas supply rule.

these last two were territorials of non-countrys (governed areas?) that have no capitals. that's probably something to do with this bug.

Thanks for posting this. The public beta process works imho - and that is good.

ORIGINAL: markb50k

With new beta, still have a bug in Syria. Hope this is me just getting something wrong but it seems pretty cut and dry.

screenie:

Prince Paul is:

1. supplying the Italian 3-2 territorial unit which I think also is a bit strange
2. Not supplying its own Yug 4-3 while it should

You are right - this is still a bug. Good catch.