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combat?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:27 am
by Toby42
I really don't understand the combat system. Several allied units attack a fortified Axis unit. Result says that attack failed. But the results also say that the Allied unit suffered no losses or disruptions. Axis unit suffered 5 losses and 8 disruptions and retreats. This is winning a combat?
RE: combat?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:14 pm
by Tamas
ORIGINAL: Treale
I really don't understand the combat system. Several allied units attack a fortified Axis unit. Result says that attack failed. But the results also say that the Allied unit suffered no losses or disruptions. Axis unit suffered 5 losses and 8 disruptions and retreats. This is winning a combat?
Well, if you do not "officially" win the combat, you cannot advance into the hex, which is kind of a big thing at times.
RE: combat?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:29 pm
by Toby42
So the only negative result of "Attack Failed" is you don't get the hex? I don't understand the rationale behind that? You (the attacker) lose the battle, but suffer no losses. The defender wins the battle but loses the hex and sometimes is destroyed because it's strength falls to zero?
RE: combat?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:13 pm
by Michael T
Perhaps Goebbels was involved here [:)]
RE: combat?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:01 pm
by FrankHunter
Treale, that's a pretty bizarre result. I'd be happy to run your save and look at it. Was it 1.0 or 1.01?
Is it possible that those losses are the result of Allied airpower on ground support?
RE: combat?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:05 pm
by Toby42
ORIGINAL: FrankHunter
Treale, that's a pretty bizarre result. I'd be happy to run your save and look at it. Was it 1.0 or 1.01?
Is it possible that those losses are the result of Allied airpower on ground support?
It was with 1.01. I was trying out the new changes with the Sicily Scenario. I played as the Axis against the Allied AI. And no I don't have any saves. I restarted several times after those results, so the saves are lost. I started another scenario,(Southern Italy). If it happens during play I'll send you a save!
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:17 am
by Moltke71
Happens to me all the time with 1.01.
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:39 am
by Toby42
ORIGINAL: Bismarck
Happens to me all the time with 1.01.
I don't remember it happening with 1.0, but it does happen with 1.01? I'm glad that someone else has noticed this...
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:42 am
by GBS
I get "attack failed" on every battle whether I am attacking or defending.
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:23 am
by Toby42
I think that something got "Broke"!
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:26 am
by jack54
Yep....30 to 1 strength ratio....attack fails; then at the start of the next axis turn the defending Italian unit is eliminated...

RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:39 am
by Toby42
ORIGINAL: jack54
Yep....30 to 1 strength ratio....attack fails; then at the start of the next axis turn the defending Italian unit is eliminated...
If I remember correctly, the attacking units don't get the attacked hex? They retreat back to their original hexes? I think...
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:45 am
by vonRocko
Damn, just when I was going to take the plunge and get the game. [:(]
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:51 am
by Toby42
ORIGINAL: vonRocko
Damn, just when I was going to take the plunge and get the game. [:(]
I'm sure that Frank will fix it...
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:05 pm
by vonRocko
Yeah no doubt Frank will fix it, but I just got done waiting for the patch to get out, then this. Oh well, patience is a virtue. I'll be virtuous for awhile longer.[;)]
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:11 pm
by jack54
ORIGINAL: Treale
If I remember correctly, the attacking units don't get the attacked hex? They retreat back to their original hexes? I think...
Yes, they retreated back to the original Hex.
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:22 pm
by Toby42
ORIGINAL: jack54
ORIGINAL: Treale
If I remember correctly, the attacking units don't get the attacked hex? They retreat back to their original hexes? I think...
Yes, they retreated back to the original Hex.
Yep, something is broke!
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:32 pm
by Toby42
Frank must be sleeping in today [:)]
RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:01 pm
by Moltke71
Here's a screenshot where the Italians "won" but were eliminated

RE: combat?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:43 pm
by Toby42
On the combat screen, any ideas what the numbers in parentheses' are? The ones next to the unit ID's? Also ground support 1/1?