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TDV (Russian) vs Josan (German)


TURN 1. 6/22/41 "Surprise Attack".

In the morning of this glorious day the heroic and proud German Army cross the russian border.The first objectives are seized and conquered with no heavy opposition. The attacks of Luftwaffe over soviet airfields become a great success with more of 9000 planes destroyed. Hitler is pleased.


AGN : The panzers reach Riga and isolated Kaunas with the strong soviet garrison trapped. Encirclement movements are maked from units of 3rd Panzergruppe.

AGC : The fortress of Brest-Litovsk has fallen and the Bialystok cauldron has been destroyed. The panzers aim to Minsk.

AGS : With more encirclement movements the panzers from 1st Panzer surrender one soviet tank korps and isolated 3 more. Tarnopol falls and Lvov is surrounded. The OKH have raised 4 news panzer korps in this sector to support AGS. One in the hungarian-russian frontier and the others along the romanian front.

Seig heil.


Losses (axis-soviet) :

Squads : 259 - 9404
Afv : 39 - 2675
Guns : 0 - 3384
Planes : 174- 6257:rolleyes:

TURN 2. 6/29/41 " Mopping up ".


The battles of the frontier have finished. One time more, the tenacity and the bravety of the german soldier, make the difference. Of course the Luftwaffe play a major role in the success. The soviets withdraw their forces as expected. Some presence of the VVS.


AGN : Daugavpils, Vilna and Kaunas has fallen. All enemy armies surrounded has been destroyed. The germans are advancing to Pskov.

AGC : The panzers take Minsk and drive fastly to the East through the Highway.

AGS : Lvov with its garrison surrender. Odessa falls in a coup de main from one of the news panzer korps created in Romania. The germans now see the city of Zhitomir on the horizon where great flames are rising to the sky. The soviet Scorched Earth policy is a fact.


Losses ( axis - soviet ) :

Squads : 149 - 7579 ; From the beginning : 410 - 16991
Afv : 26 - 2448 ; " : 65 - 5125
Guns : 5 - 2940 ; " : 8 - 6325
Planes : 172 - 1393 : : 346 - 7650



:rolleyes:

TURN 3. 7/6/41 . " The Race ".


AGN : The Red Army have dissapear along the front except for some units trying to slow the german advance. Pskov has fallen.

AGC : In another fast attack, units under command of Guderian, take Mogilev.

AGS : Zhitomir and Kiev now in german hands. The infantry racing fastly to the Dnieper.


Losses from the beginning :

Squads : 545 / 19383
Afv : 111 / 5501
Guns : 8 / 7319
Planes : 434 / 7875

:rolleyes:

TURN 4. 7/13/41 " The Race II ".


In all sectors the panzers are advancing in enveloping movement trying to gain the max of enemy terrytory. In this way the infantry can advance fastly to support the panzers in the incoming decisive battles.

The 4th Pz Army is around 60 miles west of Novgorod, aiming Leningrad and Demyansk.

Army Group Center attacks with energy. Tanks from 2nd Pz Army enter in Vitebsk and Smolensk. Great risk to these units to be cut off from the main line of supply but the relieve is near as infantry reaches Mogilev.

The 3rd Pz Army advances directly to Velikie Luky.

Heavy air soviet opposition over the skies of Kiev. But the Yaks can do nothing against the Luftwaffe pilots.
The attempts to gain an early bridgehead over the Dnieper has failed but the core of AGS are arriving to the river.


Losses from the begining :

Squads : 721 / 21503
Afv : 277 / 5810
Guns : 31 / 8154
Planes : 587 / 8741

:rolleyes:

TURN 5. 7/20/41 " Soviet Resistance have begun".


The attacks against the outer defenses of Leningrad has begun from 4th Pz Army meanwhile infantry advances to the city.

3rd Pz Army takes Velikie Luky and waits for the incoming infantry taking positions for further operations.

2nd Pz Army remains stationary around Smolensk clearing the marauding soviet armies. The infantry from AGC manages to get a bridgehead in front of Mogilev.

A full panzer german attack through the Dnieper has failed. The soviet resistance become to be tough here. However, the OKH believe the attack have weaken soviet positions and this will help the next infantry attack from 6th Army, now in range of hitting the soviet defenses.

A direct attack of mobile units from 11th Army over the city of Dnepropetovsk have surprised the garrison and the Svastika is on the skyline of the city.


Losses :

Squads : 1275 / 27329
Afv : 625 / 6380
Guns : 158 / 10896
Planes : 677 / 9104


:rolleyes:

TURN 5 . 7/27/41 " A breach in the Dnieper".


The attacks over Leningrad has begun. This time failed even the repeated attacks from units from 4th Pz Army. The infantry from AGN is on hitting range of Leningrad.


The soviet manages to cut off three panzer korpses from AGC. These korpses remains stationary again around Smolensk clearing the supply lines waiting the next infantry arrive.

Two breachs over the Dnieper has been achieved for the Wehrmacht. One in front of Kiev with the support of the infantry from 6th Army and the other one near Stalino from 11th Army. All southern russian sector is now in danger.:p


Losses from the beginning :

Squads : 1803 / 30691
Afv : 999 / 7225
Guns : 320 / 12267
Planes : 784 / 9566

:rolleyes:

Looks like the war is going well for you Josan: What about a new match sometime?

However since I threw my last cpu out the window Wir was lost. But the new game to download from Matrix is just dos version???

Originally posted by Kuniworth
Looks like the war is going well for you Josan: What about a new match sometime?

However since I threw my last cpu out the window Wir was lost. But the new game to download from Matrix is just dos version???

Hi Kuniworth,

Glad to hear you again. No problem to play but this time I would like to finnish the game;)

TURN 6. 8/3/41 " Soviets begin to collapse".


The soviets are paying hard the forward defense they do. 8000 squads in a turn is a hard price. And more is coming...


Surprise!!! Leningrad has been evacuated for the russians. From now, the city will be known as Hitlergrad:)
Troops from AGN can support now the other army groups.
Novgorod had fallen too.


In another envelope movement, the panzers of 3rd Pz Army from Velikie Lukie and 2nd Pz from Smolensk have trapped 7 armies in the sector. Gomel has fallen.


In the south seems the Stavka did not saw the really danger of the previous german movements. The soviets stills holds strong forces in front of Kiev. The 1st Pz Army from the north and the mobile units of 11th Army from the south have traped 5 strong armies in this sector (3 shock armies). No rest for the wicked:D


Losses since start :


Squads : 2871 / 38638
Afv : 1351 / 8638
Guns : 461 / 15659
Planes : 923 / 9828

:rolleyes:

TURN 8. 8/10/41 " Summer Victories ".


Another turn of heavy losses for the soviets. More than 11000 squads and 1500 tanks has been lost...


Little action in the North where infantry just arrived to the new soviet positions behind the river. AGN is redeploying for the news directives of the Fuhrer.
Demyansk has fallen.


AGC cleares the pocket around Smolensk. Units from 3rd Pz Army and 2nd Pz army attacked the soviet defenses around Vyazma. For these actions Rzhez is taken and Vyazma is surrounded with 3 armies.
Bryansk has fallen too.


The 1st Pz Army smash the pocket in Kiev. Only in this pocket more of 220.000 men and 600 tanks are destroyed.
Poltava, Kharkov and Stalino are now in german hands.


Losses since start :

Squads : 3539 / 50305
Afv : 1518 / 10404
Guns : 530 / 19088
Planes : 1014 / 9828

:rolleyes:

Whats happening here??? The war is almost won at this point.

SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The USSR sues for peace. Ribbentrop and Molotov meet to establish the terms of the unconditional surrender.

The War in the East has ended.

How about a match, Josan?


I need a fine defeat to not become too self-confident...

Originally posted by davewolf
How about a match, Josan?


I need a fine defeat to not become too self-confident...

Sure Davewolf, email me to discuss game terms and side.

Oh my God, this thread is cruel stuff to read!

Dont despair.
I think this has more to do with the "Blitzberg - Blizzard" BUG rule wherey Russian armies are heavily tarnished at start of game. The Germans are likewise tarnished in 41-42 Blizzard....if the game gets that far.

This is perhaps why people negotiate house rules on Campaign 41 ....BEFORE starting to play. The scenario is otherwise somewhat flawed from my perception. It would be interesting to see the house rules Dave Wolf imposes on the impetuous German commander of this thread.

Originally posted by MikeB

I think this has more to do with the "Blitzberg - Blizzard" BUG rule wherey Russian armies are heavily tarnished at start of game.

Wrong!!! There is no bug seems the soviet player defended with very low OPs in their HQs

The Germans are likewise tarnished in 41-42 Blizzard....if the game gets that far.

Wrong!!! Some german players faced this very well even the bug.

This is perhaps why people negotiate house rules on Campaign 41 ....BEFORE starting to play.

I think all players agree with some house rules BEFORE start play.

It would be interesting to see the house rules Dave Wolf imposes on the impetuous German commander of this thread.

No problems with Dave about house rules. Just a curiosity, in a hypothetical game against me, what house rules would you like to "impose" me ?

I feel put against the wall.
I lost against the Germans as Russia with some house rules. They were essentially something about limited # of air interdictions per turn...and limited # per target unit. In return game, we agreed to try and make the Russians stronger through managed "saves".

I am in course of playing as Germans with something of the following rules.
1/ G Air interdiction is limited to 5 attacks/turn till Dec 41.
2/ No restriction during Dec 41.
3/ Restriction of 2 interdiction per enemy unit and 8 in total. Unescorted bombers can interdict at their own risk outside the 8 limitation.
4/ Soviets get to save twice from Aug 10,41 through Sept 30,41/Oct 41. This doubles their production, ops points and entrenchment capacity.
5/ Finland units not allowed to attack prior to Oct 1, 41.

I think the above list covers it. I would have to look to make sure. my email of Campaign 41 NewZealand vs Canada may have the details.

A very aggressive German...which i perceive you to be; can blow through almost anything up to about Leningrad - Poltava/Kharkov.


As to your quotes....
The russians don't have much choice other than to defend with very few ops points in their HQ.

Yes, i hear some Germans manage to avoid the 41 blizzard bug by being in Moscow/Leningrad BEFORE the start of 41 blizzard. My 2nd game against Sweden was leading to that. I still suspect it is somewhat due to Soviet armies being very limited prior to Nov 41 and likely subject to the shatter rule during this time period.

Did you and Dave start a game? What house rules are you playing by?

Commentary on your house rules or the ones above are welcome.

Unfortunately, I do not feel i can justify the time for a 2nd game. I am playing one other game against New Zealand. This takes about 2 hrs per turn - perhaps 3 times per week. You are welcome to email me directly - ben6249f@yahoo.com to negotiate a reduction of my commitment to NewZealand to spend 1 turn a week with you.

Cheers.

Originally posted by MikeB

The russians don't have much choice other than to defend with very few ops points in their HQ.

Mike,

It is important to keep ops points as high as possible. As they drop, bad things happen when defending (or attacking, but worse when defending). The game will randomly reduce the readiness of defending units if ops points are low, so using special supply at the risk of low ops points is a trade off that usually does not help. This readiness reduction does increase the chances of a shatter!

Originally posted by MikeB
Did you and Dave start a game? What house rules are you playing by?

Standard.


Well, I should do my turn now...