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M10 Wolverine
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:47 am
by crsutton
No replacements arrive for this vehicle until 6/43, the same time as the Jackson and M18 go into production. Yet, the Americans get 3 or 4 of these TD units in mid 1942. Is this a mistake and should the replacements start in 6/42 rather than 6/43?
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:53 am
by crsutton
Well, now I am even more confused as full production started in 9/42 so how would the Americans have the units in the Pacific before then? And I would guess that many of the early production models were reserved for the Torch landings.
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:56 am
by spence
Even in North Africa it seems the "original" TD units were equipped with half-track mounted 75mm guns and that the M-10 first showed up in early 1943.
Assuming some sort of self-propelled AT gun showed up in 1942 it would seem that it had to be the same half-track mounted weapons.
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:21 pm
by wdolson
I think there might be a typo in the database. I have a book on US tank destroyer units. The first TDs were the 75mm half tracks which were first deployed as ad hoc TDs in the Philippines. There was also a 57mm gun mounted on a Jeep, but that never saw combat, it was too marginal a solution. Most TD units used towed guns in the early going and there was a lot of official resistance to self propelled TDs, but they did begin replacing the towed guns and halftracks in 1943.
I recall the book did say when Pacific units began to upgrade to M-10s and M-18s, but I can't remember at the moment. I'll have to find the book and look it up.
Bill
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:44 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: wdolson
I think there might be a typo in the database. I have a book on US tank destroyer units. The first TDs were the 75mm half tracks which were first deployed as ad hoc TDs in the Philippines. There was also a 57mm gun mounted on a Jeep, but that never saw combat, it was too marginal a solution. Most TD units used towed guns in the early going and there was a lot of official resistance to self propelled TDs, but they did begin replacing the towed guns and halftracks in 1943.
I recall the book did say when Pacific units began to upgrade to M-10s and M-18s, but I can't remember at the moment. I'll have to find the book and look it up.
Bill
Thanks Bill, it must be a small mistake. They are pretty useful units but really should not show up in mid 42. Not a game breaker. Funny nobody ever noticed it before. Got to be at least one Tank destroyer fan boy on the forum...
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:43 pm
by m10bob
Bet there are more than one..[:D]
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:30 am
by LargeSlowTarget
Well, this has been discussed not so long ago in this thread:
fb.asp?m=3363138
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:22 am
by JeffroK
It could be that the Battalions arrived on the dates listed but as Towed Gun units and upgraded to M10 later.
http://tankdestroyer.net/
Plus, in US Army talk, a Tank Destroyer unit could be towed or Self Propelled.
RE: M10 Wolverine
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:14 am
by JeffroK
Took some finding
At
http://static.awm.gov.au/images/collect ... 02--8-.PDF Page 13
Land Headquarters, Australian Army published the w/e of US Army units including a TD Battalion coinciding with the arrival of 32 & 41 US Infantry Divisions.