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Hello All,

Just played the scenario.

Well at the beginning like every beggining, F14 BerCap to the far north to protect from SSM carrying bombers. AEW and EW to the east and west to deteced and jam the soviets.

Since there was no ASW threat I used my vikings to visual ID the enemry forces since they kept thier radars off.

after a min or two to the game a soviet spy ship was deteced few miles from the CV task force. no point to run away, they're close and must have seen every thing.

As soon as the war started I destroyed the enemy with gun fire, no need to waste expensive missile at this range.

The west bound air patrol took care at the YAK38's with no loses mostly sparrows and some sidewinders.

for the Western soviet fleet, I planned a healthy meal of A6 armed with harpoons, walleye's and Hornets with HARMS and supported with two prowlers for EW.

the enemy did not use his radars until the harpoon were close, then I launched and barrage of HARMS at the kirov and the air craft carrier.

All of these wepaons killed the KIROV, the AC carrier and an esctort or two. the eastern fleet is as strong now as a motor boat.

To the east. there where to fleets on fleet of OSA missile boats, and a slava with a landing fleet, almost at the syrian shore.

For the Slava TF i planned for surface attack with the iowa group. a southern flanking manuver to avoid the OSA styx missiles.

I could not ignore the osa group so as soon as day broke, I launched my AV8's with mk82 bombs to attack it, I enegade at low altitude, my logic is to avoid the slava radars and SAM, but the result was horrendous, lost all of my AV8's to AAA and only sank 3-4 OSA'S.

the slava task force was destroyed by the Israeli missile boats under my command attack from the south and the SAG attacking from the South west.

there was another soviet TF in the agean see centred aroud the MOSKVA, a NATO tf attacking from the east with TSAM and Harpoons while sailing near islands in the area in order to confuse SSM.

All in all a very easy scenario. the enemy did not fire One! SSM!! from which I was affraid. and looked rather inept.

Not one SSM? What about bombers coming down over Turkey?

Did you attack the Soviets while they were still neutral? The Soviets should get the first shot. (Read your orders.)

Yokes

Well as a good soldier I did read my order and did not fire first, I dont know who fired first and at who. but after couple of minutes into the gmae the soviets were marked as hostile, only then did I fire at them.

And no, not one SSM.

Oh yea, and there has been an attempted bomber attack from the far north

gilmaor79, I hate to dispute your conclusions, but I played this scenario a while ago and posted an After Action Report that is dramatically different from yours.

Frankly, I found this quite a challenging scenario as there are three separate and distinct battles going on at the same time: 1) To the North the Soviets have fighters and long range assets heading in your direction who will and DID attack my Carrier Group, 2) to the East you have both a Soviet SAG and an ongoing air battle between Israel and its neighbors that "should" carry over into your carrier group's airspace (it did mine) and attack you and 3) to the West there are multiple Soviet assets heading against you that you will have to be prepared for.

Finally, when you say, "All in all a very easy scenario. the enemy did not fire One! SSM!!" I find that incredibly hard to believe, as I was busier than a one legged man in a butt kicking contest creating offensive and defensive schemes for each situation I found myself in. Overall, I discovered it to be a very challenging and dynamic scenario that kept me busy, constantly guessing, engaged and on the edge of my seat! [X(]

Ok, I dont know what went wrong. I'll try this again.

gilmaor,

I have had the Soviets turn hostile early. If a jamming aircraft gets too close they will take a shot at it.

Please try it again. It should take about 2 hours of game time for the Soviets to go hostile. It is much more challenging if they get the first shot.

Yokes

in the begining.... i turned my two surface groups north... i stayed outside of their detection range... after two hours they went hostile.... i destroyed their airborne search assets as quickly as possible.... in successive waves of attacks i sank their ships... i got lucky with the kirov and blew it out of the water in my first strike... my surface groups never fired one aaw..... the greatest challenge was staying undetected...

Did you happen to take out the AGI early? I would think such an act was not the intention of the scenario designer.

My experience was similar. Had an S-3 fired on by the Kirov group when it got close, I promptly killed the Tattletale and no one shot at me. Evaded the east Med enemy SAGs and concentrated on the western ones first. Turkey shot the crap out of a/c from Crimea and my CVN ruled the air over the Med.

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

My experience was similar. Had an S-3 fired on by the Kirov group when it got close, I promptly killed the Tattletale and no one shot at me. Evaded the east Med enemy SAGs and concentrated on the western ones first. Turkey shot the crap out of a/c from Crimea and my CVN ruled the air over the Med.

It's frustrating as the scenario designer trying to work around the fact that I cannot change a side's posture via an event. Instead, I have to find ways to "game" the system to get it to work, but there are a dozen ways the player can inadvertently circumvent it doing perfectly normal things.

[:@]

Devs:

Can I put in (another) request for the ability to change postures via events?

Thanks!

Yokes

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

My experience was similar. Had an S-3 fired on by the Kirov group when it got close, I promptly killed the Tattletale and no one shot at me. Evaded the east Med enemy SAGs and concentrated on the western ones first. Turkey shot the crap out of a/c from Crimea and my CVN ruled the air over the Med.

That's perty much the way it went for me.....

ORIGINAL: Agiel

Did you happen to take out the AGI early? I would think such an act was not the intention of the scenario designer.

Now that you mention it.... I guess I did..... I don't play the designer.... I play the mission.... For instance... In the beginning of the scenario if they give your units a path.... I always change it..... If he wanted to have a red intel unit that might last a little while... He should have used a sub......

ORIGINAL: magi

I don't play the designer.... I play the mission....

No you didn't.

Your orders specifically stated "DO NOT START WWIII!!!"

ORIGINAL: Yokes

ORIGINAL: magi

I don't play the designer.... I play the mission....

No you didn't.

Your orders specifically stated "DO NOT START WWIII!!!"

well we are all still here... and i believe i was given a "Triumph Victory".... yup.. for sure...

Could this kind of "cheating" be handled with a negative score if the AGI is destroyed given some posture setting?

ORIGINAL: Yokes

It's frustrating as the scenario designer trying to work around the fact that I cannot change a side's posture via an event. Instead, I have to find ways to "game" the system to get it to work, but there are a dozen ways the player can inadvertently circumvent it doing perfectly normal things.


Devs:

Can I put in (another) request for the ability to change postures via events?

Thanks!

Yokes

I second, triple, and fourth this request!

Just finished this scenario some minutes ago (Triumph: 100, btw [:D][:D]).

Apart from the first salvo (Slava SAG), which got some SSM VERY close to my carrier, the rest of the attacks were easier to defeat:

1) Kirov launched a good barrage of SSMs, but proper CAP location and AEGIS cruisers took them down easier than the first salvo (luckyly for me).

2) The bombers were decimated by the Turkish air force, my F-14s in CAP only needed to shoot down three of them, which were unable to launch any ASM.

3) The Syrian missile boats did not attack.

4) Israel fought bravely (and alone [:D]) its air war against Syria. No flight came near my carrier or SAG groups (I did some maneuvering with them). I did not realize I had some TLAMs available so I could had shut down Syrian airbase earlier and save some IAF pilots' lives. They did also some very brave attacks against the Slava and Kirov: the first one damaged Slava enough so I could close and finish her.

4) The harder part was finishing off the enemy ships, my attacks did seem to reach their targets and I almost depleted all my Harpoons (both SSM and ASM versions).

In the end I lost 3 A-6E.

All in all, a very nice and challenging scenario: the first 3-4 hours of sheer terror were priceless [&o][&o][:D][:D] also, I'm just reading The War That Never Was [:D]

Order of engagement

Once a commander has considered the geography of a mission, he examines the assets the enemy is believed to have available - the enemy's order of battle (OOB); what friendly units are needed to succeed at the mission objective; and the added constraints placed by mission requirements (time etc.). This produces a path of intended motion (PIM) for the friendly forces - not the route, but the direction in which the force is heading at any time and so the area which must be checked and passed through.

As enemy forces are encountered and identified, they are categorized by potency and immediacy and the friendly OOB altered to reflect this. There are four threat classes: A, B, C and D.

Class A is Potent and Immediate; this is a need to drop everything and respond immediately. This might be a gaggle of sea-skimming missiles racing towards a capital ship, or something as powerless as a tug - that is radioing the fleet's position to a more distant enemy.
Class B is Immediate only; this requires fast action but does not threaten the mission; for example, a small boat detected in the outer screen.
Class C is Potent only; this is a 'win' for the fleet commander: a significant threat detected far enough away that force can be massed to destroy it or to avoid it.
Class D is Neither Immediate nor Potent; a target of opportunity which is not a threat and the destruction of which does not aid the assigned mission.
This classification is similar to the time management method of judging things to be urgent/not urgent and important/not important.