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ORIGINAL: brian brian

I think a very old issue of Lines of Communication, like when it was still printed in Canada, had a proposed Naval Ground Strike rule too, but it has never gained any traction, nor should it in my opinion. In WiF 7, shore bombardment is still too powerful anyway. World in Flames is somewhat saying that 6 cruisers are just as valuable for a land battle as an entire corps of veteran infantry. This will be changing in the future of the game.

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

The change that has been made in v.8 of the rules, which is quite a good one IMHO, is that there can only be the same *number* of ships shore bombarding as there are corps-sized land units in the side of the combat. i.e. if you are attacking with 3 corps, then only 3 ships can shore bombard. It makes the big battleships a bit more useful, and combined with the "spotting bombarding fleets" rule really limits the amount of impact that shore bombarding ships can have in the combats occurring along the edge of their sea zone.

I'm not sure how hard that would be to implement.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

The change that has been made in v.8 of the rules, which is quite a good one IMHO, is that there can only be the same *number* of ships shore bombarding as there are corps-sized land units in the side of the combat. i.e. if you are attacking with 3 corps, then only 3 ships can shore bombard. It makes the big battleships a bit more useful, and combined with the "spotting bombarding fleets" rule really limits the amount of impact that shore bombarding ships can have in the combats occurring along the edge of their sea zone.

I'm not sure how hard that would be to implement.

Fairly easy to code. Enabling the Undo capability would be the only concern.

But I am not changing the rules at the moment (or in the foreseeable future).

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Well, putting a new optional rule is well down the list of things to code.

I also find it a very strange rule. Consider D-day: Six divisions invading, plus three airborne divisions, plus some specialized units. Three corps, plus some divisions. In WiF, one might get six corps, representing follow up forces.

Ships represented by WiF counters that provided NGS on D-Day:

Utah beach: Nevada, Quincy, Tuscaloosa, HMS Enterprise, Hawkins, Erebus, Black Prince

Omaha beach: Texas, Arkansas, Glasgow, Bellona, Montcalm

Gold Beach: Ajax, Argonaut, Emerald, Orion

Juno Beach: Belfast, Diadem

Sword Beach: Warspite, Ramilles, Arethusa, Frobisher, Mauritius, Roberts

(I may have missed some. If so, my apologies to any ships and crews I omitted.)

Even assuming that some of these ships provided defensive shore bombardment (and yes, the Allies were using that optional rule [:)]), limiting the amount of shore bombardment to three, or even six, ships is ridiculous.

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Yes, the Allies used a couple of O-chits that impulse. How does that affect the new shore bombardment rule?

At Iwo Jima, bombarding ships included Arkansas, Idaho, Nevada, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, Biloxi, Chester, Indianapolis, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Santa Fe, Tuscaloosa, and Vicksburg.

To repeat, my opinion is that restricting the number of ships that can provide NGS to two (the stacking limit at Iwo Jima) is ridiculous.

ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Fire Control Officer: 'Captain, we have to crease firing at the enemy.'

Captain: 'Why? Are we out of shells?'

FCO: 'No. We have plenty of shells. But we have reached the maximum number of shells we are allowed to shoot.'

Captain: [&:]

Makes perfect sense to me [:'(] NOT.