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No names, no pack drill.

Just started a team game as the Allies. We received the turn and I'm sure we did everything right and sent it back. The Japanese opposition retorted that their orders were not assigned correctly and asked us to redo the turn after sending us a new file. It was the first turn which is obviously a long process.

My question: Is it possible the opponent (Japanese) can just look at the combat and say that the program messed up and ask to redo everything having had an insight to our proposed actions? Or am I being paranoid?

Thanks in advance

ORIGINAL: Bill Durrant

No names, no pack drill.

Just started a team game as the Allies. We received the turn and I'm sure we did everything right and sent it back. The Japanese opposition retorted that their orders were not assigned correctly and asked us to redo the turn after sending us a new file. It was the first turn which is obviously a long process.

My question: Is it possible the opponent (Japanese) can just look at the combat and say that the program messed up and ask to redo everything having had an insight to our proposed actions? Or am I being paranoid?

Thanks in advance

Ask for the wpae.001 file so that you see what they see.

Ask for the replay and use that to inform your decision. They got to view it and have an advantage because of it. And they know your intentions.

We all make mistakes. In my PBEM match up we occasionally own up to our mistakes and live with the consequences.

Its tricky. Asking someone to redo a turn, especially the first turn is a big favour to ask. And they aren't really giving you any information to warrant such a favour.

Just surrender immediately and start a new game with different opponents.
 
What happened here is that your opponents did not get the result they were expecting.  Perhaps their PH strike did not sink sufficient ships to their liking.
 
Sooner rather than later they will come across another turn where they do not get their optimum results.  Then you will get the same request to redo the turn.  Plus there will be other game quibbles which will be put up.
 
Nor can you play this potentially 1500+ turn game replaying a turn every time one side forgot to give an order to an AMc operating out of Shanghai.
 
Best to just nip it in the bud immediately.  Either they continue with turn 2 based on what happened now, or you just find new opponents.
 
Alfred 

ORIGINAL: Bill Durrant

No names, no pack drill.

Just started a team game as the Allies. We received the turn and I'm sure we did everything right and sent it back. The Japanese opposition retorted that their orders were not assigned correctly and asked us to redo the turn after sending us a new file. It was the first turn which is obviously a long process.

My question: Is it possible the opponent (Japanese) can just look at the combat and say that the program messed up and ask to redo everything having had an insight to our proposed actions? Or am I being paranoid?

Thanks in advance

Bill, I'm sorry to have to be the one to inform you that being paranoid is the least of your troubles. You are obviously experiencing a sort of psychosis we like to call I'msorryIeveragreedtoplaythisgamewithorwithouthouserules syndrome. Report immediately to the nearest ER and let them do a biopsy of your wallet. It would be extremely unwise to delay the inevitable.

I also agree with everything Alfred says, as always, but I'd still like to do a biopsy of his wallet.

Lucrectomy? I kind of like the sound of that.

ORIGINAL: Bill Durrant

No names, no pack drill.

Bill, if you posted in the "Opponents Wanted" section of this forum, can I ask you to point us to your communication in that thread? Don't want names, no 'pack drill' (whatever that means). I just would like to see the thread.

Thanks in advance.

ETA: I like the idea of getting the 001 replay file (and combat report would be nice too) from your opponents and reviewing.

It is possible that, assuming an ahistorical start, you may have inadvertently misapplied some orders where none were due (e.g., 100% CAP at PH on day 1, scrambled ships from port, etc.). It would have been helpful if your opponent identified specifically what errors were seen in the turn for your information.

I don't believe that there is any immediate ill will or malignant motives behind your opponent, but they should have provided more information to you than they did.

Your use of the word "retort" suggests that they were peevish and surly-could this be a language difference perchance? Something 'lost in translation'?

ORIGINAL: BattleMoose

Ask for the replay and use that to inform your decision. They got to view it and have an advantage because of it. And they know your intentions.

We all make mistakes. In my PBEM match up we occasionally own up to our mistakes and live with the consequences.

Its tricky. Asking someone to redo a turn, especially the first turn is a big favour to ask. And they aren't really giving you any information to warrant such a favour.

Adm Nelson and I have had issues with my install. He has had to do two re-dos of turns. I have sent him the old 001 or screenshots so he knows what actually happened. I would have questions regarding this as well if I did not get proof.

Chickenboy, a "lucrectomy" is what happens after I do a biopsy of Alfred's wallet. I take his filthy "lucre" and put it in my pocket.

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Chickenboy, a "lucrectomy" is what happens after I do a biopsy of Alfred's wallet. I take his filthy "lucre" and put it in my pocket.

Uh...yes. Which is why I proposed the term...[&:]

Are you molting again? You seem to go soft in the head when you do. [:'(]

Hey, everyone who knows me well addresses me as "Al Dente". Now, I am not now nor have I ever been an Arab, so I'm not sure what that's about. But I know a little Italian and I can say without equivocation that my noodles are every bit as stiff as anyone else's. Just don't quote me on that.

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Just surrender immediately and start a new game with different opponents.

This.

Except if you opponents are well known (either to you or the forum community) so you can basically rule out a cheat. In that case I would request the replay and a very detailed information about what failed, even if it requires lifting opsec.

Regarding the viewing of the turn 1 file- the allied player will gain more out of that than the Japanese player given the limited opening moves available to the Allies. However I'd also question if you've found the right opponent- they may have even forgotten something important in their orders. I do it reasonably regularly. If I was playing the AI I'd probably go back and fix it- but I'm not- and those mistakes are part of what makes a PBEM special.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: BattleMoose

Ask for the replay and use that to inform your decision. They got to view it and have an advantage because of it. And they know your intentions.

We all make mistakes. In my PBEM match up we occasionally own up to our mistakes and live with the consequences.

Its tricky. Asking someone to redo a turn, especially the first turn is a big favour to ask. And they aren't really giving you any information to warrant such a favour.

Adm Nelson and I have had issues with my install. He has had to do two re-dos of turns. I have sent him the old 001 or screenshots so he knows what actually happened. I would have questions regarding this as well if I did not get proof.

Roger that, I played a game against JB447 and midway thru my pc died and I installed the latest beta patch but Jeremy got the last official patch so he could not open my turn. Different updates do have this problem. I had to install the last official patch to continue the game.[:)]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Chickenboy, a "lucrectomy" is what happens after I do a biopsy of Alfred's wallet. I take his filthy "lucre" and put it in my pocket.

You'll only find South Pacific shekels.

The biggest problem with this is not even an eventual cheating. Is that in a first turn there is something important forgotten. It seems the other side does not care for the investment in time that a PBEM implies.

End the game now, trust me you will be saving a lot of wasted time in the future.

I haven't done this prior, but isn't there a trick when playing Japan that you run the turn (under a different save file) after having spent countless hours working on it to make sure you did do everything right with magic task forces etc. -- before sending the file off to the Allies.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I haven't done this prior, but isn't there a trick when playing Japan that you run the turn (under a different save file) after having spent countless hours working on it to make sure you did do everything right with magic task forces etc. -- before sending the file off to the Allies.

Yes. One can 'dry run' the first turn as the Japanese.