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This is an error in the databases for DBB-B and C. We've done some tweaking and some other things have fallen through the cracks. Guess it's time to thoroughly scrub the scenarios and fill as many of the bumps and potholes as possible.

Per Symon’s request I am starting this thread to create a place for DBB database errors to be collected in one place.

As mentioned in the main forum topic tm.asp?m=3722896, the error that I found was the fact Indian Brigades point to line 2691 in the database and that line is blank. They should be pointing to line 2846 instead.

The first thing that jumps out to me about Symon’s statement regarding DBB-B and C however is the fact it appears the databases for the two scenarios are no longer stable and players should avoid installing them until the databases get fixed.

Does anyone have an older stable version of these two scenarios saved somewhere?

Jim

Has anyone brought up the M10 wolverine? In tracker is shows a projection run from June 43 to December of 1944. If you look at the production run of this vehicle it should be from June of 1942 to December of 1944. The US TD units that arrive until June of 43 have no replacements for losses and if your fighting in India/Australia in a PBEM game it can be an issue.

I think it has been brought up else where as well. I don't have my reference materiel with me but Wiki also seems to verify this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M10_tank_destroyer

Or is there a reason for the delay in the arrival of the M10?

Posted this earlier, thought I would add this here.

I am trying to get up to speed with these scenarios in preparation for a new PBEM and I have noticed some variance in the setup of forces. When reviewing Dutch forces in Timor the Lautern forces appear in the December 8th start but not the Dec 7th. At Koepang here is only one unit starting n the 7th and multiple on the 8th. Denpaser has only a CDO unit in the Dec 7th start but has the 8th has the CDO plus a base unit, Materan has no units on the 7th and a base force in the 8th start.

I ran the December 7th scenario of DBBC to see if they show as a reinforcement and they do not. Am I missing something or are the units missing? I have not checked other areas yet, has any one else seen these variances?

I downloaded the scenario last week from the Babes website, BigBabes_C_AEScen028_v13 & BigBabes_C_AEScen029_v12b

ORIGINAL: rook749

Has anyone brought up the M10 wolverine? In tracker is shows a projection run from June 43 to December of 1944. If you look at the production run of this vehicle it should be from June of 1942 to December of 1944. The US TD units that arrive until June of 43 have no replacements for losses and if your fighting in India/Australia in a PBEM game it can be an issue.

I think it has been brought up else where as well. I don't have my reference materiel with me but Wiki also seems to verify this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M10_tank_destroyer

Or is there a reason for the delay in the arrival of the M10?

The MTO and ETO had priority for the M10. This was true for a number of other vehicles and aircraft too like the B-17G which doesn't show up in game until 1945.

Bill

In addition to the 44th, 45th and 46th Brigades, it looks like the 75th and 84th suffer the same issue.

I "think" I checked all the Indian brigades, I checked the 3rd, 26th, 88th, 99th and 100th as well as those listed above. There might be more I missed though with names instead of unit numbers or something.

Jim

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
In addition to the 44th, 45th and 46th Brigades, it looks like the 75th and 84th suffer the same issue.

I "think" I checked all the Indian brigades, I checked the 3rd, 26th, 88th, 99th and 100th as well as those listed above. There might be more I missed though with names instead of unit numbers or something.

Jim

Yes they do. I vetted all the Australian, New Zealand, Dutch, Indian, Commonwealth, and Philippines LCUs (all the new stuff) with a view towards these kinds of issues. Fixed your concerns. Fixed a few other things that have cropped up over the years and a few I found during the hunt. Should have a good stable file set (that won't be changed for a good while) for all the A, B, C versions of Scen028 shortly.

The Dec 8 Scen029 set will follow in a couple weeks. It's a bit more of a pita, but needs must, yeah? Right now, I'm doing some chicken enchiladas; have some dried pasillas and anchos, that I'll chop up and put in the canned sauce, along with some spices. Marinate the chicken in cumin and 'real' mexican chili powder (fron Bardia Spices, Inc.). Then do the sauce - that's the real thing. Do up some carmelized onitons, add some chicken, roll them up, put them in a baking dish, cover with poop-hot enchilada sauce and bake till done. Serve with a cold tomato, cilantro, cucumber, lemon juice, and sour cream, salsa.

Thank you for your input. We have been negligent in our updates for std AE engine scenarios. Hope to say I can keep the different dog and pony circuses in their respective rings under the big-top.

Thanks again. JWE

Only you John could pull off commenting on a data base and throw in cooking. [:)][8D]

Well, the psychobabble weenies think it's related: math and music and food and bears, oh my!

Guess it's from hanging out in Chile, where the food is eclectic. You gots Inca, Spanish, Argentine, German, and Brit. Puerto Varas has German bakeries that are exquisite. Everybody comes in at early morning to get a basket of brochen for brekkie. It's kinda like being back in Wiesbaden when I was 5. As to the other stuff, can you imagine a dinner with the equivalent of a filet mignon, and a bottle of vino tinto that blows the doors off a French Bordeaux, for $20.00? Woof !! That's what I have to face when I cook for my friends; and they are pretty particular. I am learning.

I hope my syllabus is helpful. I got some great goat (chupas) empenadas recipes and a lot of rotisserie lamb and pig stuff along with leftovers for 20. [:D]

JWE

In Northeast New Guinea, there is a trail linking Lae with Nazdab, but when you try to move units they move as if there was no trail (4 miles per turn). Is this WAD?

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
In addition to the 44th, 45th and 46th Brigades, it looks like the 75th and 84th suffer the same issue.

I "think" I checked all the Indian brigades, I checked the 3rd, 26th, 88th, 99th and 100th as well as those listed above. There might be more I missed though with names instead of unit numbers or something.

Jim

Yes. There were a few Indian Brigades that used an Inf Only TOE (2961). We missed that.

Added an Inf Only TOE (with the same specs as 2961) at slot 2845 and updated all those 5 Indian Brigades so everything looks just like it did in the original.

Good call. Thanks. JWE

One of the things I miss from living in Scotland was the lamb.....

My opponent and I are planning to restart our game, but we are holding off to see if any further changes to the databases are in the works. So are you done tinkering with changes to DBB for now or are more changes in the works? I know Skyros brought up some concerns in this thread that might precipitate some changes, so just wanted to ask before we dive in again.

tm.asp?m=3732376

Jim

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
My opponent and I are planning to restart our game, but we are holding off to see if any further changes to the databases are in the works. So are you done tinkering with changes to DBB for now or are more changes in the works? I know Skyros brought up some concerns in this thread that might precipitate some changes, so just wanted to ask before we dive in again.
Jim

Should work fine. Skyros was concerned about the Dec 8 scenario units. All DBB, Scen028 and Scen029 should be unified, now.

Just so it's clear I was concerned about the base force units for Koepang and Denpaser that were present in an older version of the Dec 8th scenario and not in the Dec 7th version. They are now mising from all versions of DBB. This may be what you intended, so It is what it is.

ORIGINAL: Symon

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
My opponent and I are planning to restart our game, but we are holding off to see if any further changes to the databases are in the works. So are you done tinkering with changes to DBB for now or are more changes in the works? I know Skyros brought up some concerns in this thread that might precipitate some changes, so just wanted to ask before we dive in again.
Jim

Should work fine. Skyros was concerned about the Dec 8 scenario units. All DBB, Scen028 and Scen029 should be unified, now.

Whole bunch of questions related to US OrBat & TO&E; starting with, why do US Combat Engineer Battalions have 21 engineer squads instead of 27?

I have about a page of errata that I haven't checked against the latest update. Is there a list of fixes somewhere? Such as, did US para squads upgrading to Amphib Support squads ever get fixed?

OOB and TO&E has been vetted. It is what it is.
Para squads do not upgrade to amphib support squads.

Found 2 more errors. Two Australian battalions have 1944 squads as part of their starting equipment so can never draw replacement squads (they disband in 500+ days). The 19th Battalion at Darwin and the 44th battalion at Kalgoorlie.

In addition both battalions have full brigade TO&E's listed when you select the TO&E button.

Edit: Add to this the 8th Aus Brigade as well. It too has 44 squad types.

Jim

Yep, that's a typo. The TOE ID should be 2706. As a fast fix, just type 2706 into TOE ID field for those two and then click the Use TOE button. That should do the trick.

Found another database issue. When you form the 9th Indian Division in Malaya, it is pointing to the TO&E of an artillery unit not an infantry division. It also upgrades to an artillery unit TO&E.

Jim

Yes. That one's a booger. The Indians don't get no respect. There's so many different versions of Indian units in the TOE section, that some of the marginal ones got over-written by something else.

No quick fix for this one, Jim. Andy embedded his Brit/Indian units very deep and wide in the TOE section. We lost sight of one. Sorry about that. It will take a Scen data redo and a restart to fix. Don't want to do that for one Indian division.

But it's on the list for the next comprehensive update. Keep 'em coming. Thanks. JWE