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No tooltips?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:10 pm
by DTomato
There doesn't seem to be a tooltip popup when the mouse is held over a button. If so, it makes it much more of a pain to learn the game.
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:54 pm
by Nacho84
Hello DicedT,
I'm going to cheat a bit here and repost an answer I just gave at the Steam forums! [:)]
The game UI is meant to be universal across desktop and mobile platforms. Notice that most buttons have text on them, and the ones that don't are quite graphical and consistent across the whole interface. For example, the icons in the lower bar, which are used as shortcuts to the agency's buildings, match the signs in the buildings themselves. These icons are quite descriptive as well (the helmet for the astronauts/cosmonauts, the headset for the flight controllers, the dollar sign for the Public Affairs Office, etc).
The other screen that makes heavy use of buttons without text is the personnel management screen, which features a bunch of icons in order to filter/sort the entries. This might seem daunting at first, but there are just a few of them. Once you figure out what they are, you no longer need to think about them.
We'll certainly consider adding tooltips if we get more reports about the UI being confusing, that's for sure, but notice that we did a conscious effort to avoid them while designing the screns. Not because we're lazy, but because we wanted the UI to be universal across all platforms.
Please let us know if you have any questions and I'll do my best to get back to you.
Cheers,
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:45 pm
by FroBodine
I strongly second the request for tooltips. Not knowing what ANY numbers mean, e.g. the three numbers next to each icon on the main base page, and the two numbers under each planet in the planet screen.
What the heck do these numbers mean? I don't know, there are no tooltips!
Dumbing down the PC version to accomodate the iPad version is no excuse, and a bit of laziness in my opinion. I'm sure the game is great, but no tooltips really turns me off to you guys.
If you are making a PC game, you should use a standard PC UI, and tooltips are standard in the vast majority of all PC games nowadays. Especially strategy/tactical games.
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:59 pm
by Wolfe1759
Agree - tooltips are a boon to a PC game why avoid implementing them just because the less able iPad platform version (which I didn't buy and isn't available yet) is incapable of utilising them?
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:35 pm
by Nacho84
OK guys, I'll work on it. I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:14 pm
by FroBodine
Thank you very much, Ignacio! I just don't understand how you could have gone a year through early access, and nobody thought tooltips were a necessity?
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:12 am
by Casinn
Early access got some of those features one at a time, a bit easier to learn.
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:30 am
by ezzler
Definitely tooltips. Its a pain without them. I'm clicking all over the place.
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:05 pm
by Nacho84
Hello guys, the 3D artist and myself set some time aside to prepare a UI reference guide, please fetch it from
here.
We'll still add some form of in-game help, but hopefully the reference guide will provide you the info you need for now. Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers,
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:22 pm
by jjknap
Wow, what a nice reference card. You guys are great! [&o]
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:28 am
by Bandred
Hello guys, the 3D artist and myself set some time aside to prepare a UI reference guide, please fetch it from here
Hi Ignacio,
I came across your link to the UI Reference Guide on Steam. It's a great document for those of us just starting out, so, many thanks for putting it together.
It might be useful if you could also edit your post on the Slitherine forum 'Suggestion-UI Interface' to add the link. I tried in my post, but was defeated by the Spam blocker (not enough posts)
Thanks again,
Mike
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:52 am
by Templer_12
I'm one could dispense tooltips in BASPM.
If tooltips are implemented, then please optionally be switched off!
The UI reference guide is a great document.
I have found some I did not know until now.
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:21 pm
by HeinzHarald
Good document, but four of six icons/names are wrong in "Information in the lower bar".
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:03 am
by nico7550
ORIGINAL: Casinn
Early access got some of those features one at a time, a bit easier to learn.
I just don't understand how you could have gone a year through early access, and nobody thought tooltips were a necessity?
Hi Casinn, for your information, some users have been asking for it some months ago. But choices had to be made...
Cheers
RE: No tooltips?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:39 pm
by IainMcNeil
Tooltips were not actually requested during the EAP, at least not other than a footnote on someones comments along with thousands of other minor requests. As we know they're important we've worked on them and we've almost completed adding them! Check out Ignacio's development update to see Tooltips in action!