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Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:53 pm
by Dereck
This may be a dumb question, but being a long-time WITP player 3 regimental sized units (even of the same division) fighting a division size unit would always be at a disadvantage and mostly lose battles.

Is that the same here or no? For example, would the 1st Division as one unit be stronger than the 1st division as 3 regimental units (in the same hex) taking on a division unit?

Also, if a division is broken down into regimental units can each regimental unit attach 3 support units or no?

Thanks

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:40 pm
by ratprince
Not sure about the first part, but as to attachments, if you have three already, one will go to each regiment.

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:19 am
by marion61
A division as a whole unit, will fight better than it's 3 regiments on their own, even in a joint attack. Remember paratroop divisions can retreat after a drop and regiments and brigades cannot. They surrender. I know you didn't ask about paratroops, but I was just mentioning it. A whole unit is always stronger than it's individual parts.

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:27 am
by Jim D Burns
I know when I broke down a division my garrison value dropped in the region, so you do lose some CV for breaking down the division.

Jim

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:18 pm
by Joel Billings
There's no specific CV bonus for being a division as opposed to being 3 regiments. There are some weaknesses of being a regiment (airborne scatter/no retreat, extra cost moving into enemy controlled hexes), but no CV penalty that I'm aware of. The change in garrison value may be the result of rounding/truncation differences. A broken down division unit should only be able to attach 1 support unit.

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:08 pm
by marion61
Say for instance you break down a division. Should the regiments together equal the total CV of the whole division? The 3 regiment CV's added together don't always add up to what the divisional CV is after they are broken down, or am I mistaken?

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:30 pm
by Joel Billings
I think what you're seeing is round off and truncation issues, not any particular bonus/penalty difference. For example, you see a unit with 4 CV, it breaks down into three 1 CV units. But looking at the unit detail screen, the 4 CV unit is actually a 4.44, and when broken down you see a 1.45 and two 1.41 units, which sums to 4.27. So some small amount is lost in this case, but I think it is because all the supplies/fuel/ammo gets split up as well, and with all the number crunching and round offs and/or truncations that no doubt take place along the way of calculating CV, some fidelity is lost. At least that's my assumption.

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:16 pm
by Dereck
Not a scientific study but ...

2nd US Armored Division as a division against an Italian division and two regiments: 7.8 to 2.5

When broken down as regiments: 7.6 to 2.5

RE: Strength of 3 regiments?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:41 pm
by marion61
I'm betting your right. Thanks Joel, now I have to learn another way to play [;)]. I didn't like breaking down divisions because I thought, erroneously, that it would lessen their effectiveness.