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[Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:56 pm
by Rhialto2
Would it be possible to capture a little more detail in the losses and expenditure?
For example, indicating how each unit was destroyed?
F15-E #44 destroyed at 022:01 by AA-11 from SU27 #213.
I played a scenario recently where I am pretty sure that a certain F18 shot down 5 enemy fighters, but short of parsing the log there was no way to be sure.
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:05 pm
by snowburn
+1
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:25 pm
by mikmykWS
Added this request to our list. Thanks guys!
Mike
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:56 pm
by Rhialto2
A similar suggestion:
The Scoring box is a bit bland. it just gives the score and the one or two word assessment.
Ideas for improvement:
1. Show the scenario author's scoring breakdown:
"SCORE 200 Minor Victory
50 points for sinking Typhoon SSN
200 points for saving the White House from destruction
-50 points for saving Vice President Cheney's bunker"
2. Allow the scenario author to include images to be shown in each case. So for a Falkland scenario an RN victory would show an image of the triumphant return of the TF to Portsmouth. An Argentine victory could show the burning Sheffield, Coventry, Antelope or Ardent.
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:02 pm
by mikmykWS
Added this as well. Thanks for taking the time to think about this stuff!
Mike
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:40 pm
by Coiler12
While I like the idea of expanded detail, I think it should be optional/separated from the basic losses/expenditures window. (Probably in a "detailed losses" window that is accessed separately from the basic one.)
My main reason is I'm afraid it would clutter up large scenarios. You had a gigantic battle in which you shot down fifty enemy fighters, you look at the end, and you see, instead of a neat:
10xF-16 Blk 50
20xF-7 Skybolt
Etc..
You see a long list of "F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (__), F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (_____), and it would take long to scroll down and look awkward in an AAR.
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:19 am
by Rhialto2
I agree. Just use expandable lists to allow you to click a [+] to expand the 10xF-16 Blk 50 to show the fate of each one.
ORIGINAL: Coiler12
While I like the idea of expanded detail, I think it should be optional/separated from the basic losses/expenditures window. (Probably in a "detailed losses" window that is accessed separately from the basic one.)
My main reason is I'm afraid it would clutter up large scenarios. You had a gigantic battle in which you shot down fifty enemy fighters, you look at the end, and you see, instead of a neat:
10xF-16 Blk 50
20xF-7 Skybolt
Etc..
You see a long list of "F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (__), F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (_____), and it would take long to scroll down and look awkward in an AAR.
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:05 am
by snowburn
How about a detailed AAR? it can show things like...
7 AIM-120 Amraam fired
2 hit
1 spoofed by ECM
2 spoofed by Chaff Cloud
2 evaded
5 HARM fired
3 hit
2 miss (average miss distance: 8 meters)
F/A-18 Hornet (pilot callsign) destroyed by AA-11 from SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
A-7 Corsair II (pilot callsign 2) destroyed by V-860/5V21 from SA-5 Gammon (vehicle callsing)
Nimitz (USS Ronald Reagan) Damaged (77%)
1 SS-N-22 fired by SU-33 (enemy pilot callsign)
2 FAB-500 dropped by SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
Most AA Kills: F-14 (pilot callsign) with 3 air victories (2xSU-27, 1xMIG-31)
Most Ground Kills: SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign) with 8 units destroyed (350DP delivered)
feel free to add any suggestion
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:33 am
by tommo8993
I would like to see how many people were lost. IE the total crew number.
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:46 am
by MR_BURNS2
ORIGINAL: snowburn
How about a detailed AAR? it can show things like...
7 AIM-120 Amraam fired
2 hit
1 spoofed by ECM
2 spoofed by Chaff Cloud
2 evaded
5 HARM fired
3 hit
2 miss (average miss distance: 8 meters)
F/A-18 Hornet (pilot callsign) destroyed by AA-11 from SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
A-7 Corsair II (pilot callsign 2) destroyed by V-860/5V21 from SA-5 Gammon (vehicle callsing)
Nimitz (USS Ronald Reagan) Damaged (77%)
1 SS-N-22 fired by SU-33 (enemy pilot callsign)
2 FAB-500 dropped by SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
Most AA Kills: F-14 (pilot callsign) with 3 air victories (2xSU-27, 1xMIG-31)
Most Ground Kills: SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign) with 8 units destroyed (350DP delivered)
feel free to add any suggestion
+1
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:40 am
by OnFire
ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2
ORIGINAL: snowburn
How about a detailed AAR? it can show things like...
7 AIM-120 Amraam fired
2 hit
1 spoofed by ECM
2 spoofed by Chaff Cloud
2 evaded
5 HARM fired
3 hit
2 miss (average miss distance: 8 meters)
F/A-18 Hornet (pilot callsign) destroyed by AA-11 from SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
A-7 Corsair II (pilot callsign 2) destroyed by V-860/5V21 from SA-5 Gammon (vehicle callsing)
Nimitz (USS Ronald Reagan) Damaged (77%)
1 SS-N-22 fired by SU-33 (enemy pilot callsign)
2 FAB-500 dropped by SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
Most AA Kills: F-14 (pilot callsign) with 3 air victories (2xSU-27, 1xMIG-31)
Most Ground Kills: SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign) with 8 units destroyed (350DP delivered)
feel free to add any suggestion
+1
+2
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:25 pm
by Marder
ORIGINAL: tommo8993
I would like to see how many people were lost. IE the total crew number.
+1
+ how much money was lost/spent
add a new entry to the DB for ~value in $
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:33 pm
by Rory Noonan
ORIGINAL: Marder2075
ORIGINAL: tommo8993
I would like to see how many people were lost. IE the total crew number.
+1
+ how much money was lost/spent
add a new entry to the DB for ~value in $
Value in $ would be nice... I sometimes google the price of munitions versus the price of their intended target. Strike planners would, I imagine, be encouraged to keep the cost of the operation to a minimum where possible.
Crew numbers would also add another dimension of 'cost' to the battle result.
Interesting ideas!
RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:08 pm
by hellfish6
Who killed what would be nice.
Like USS XXX: kills: 1 x Foxtrot SS; 2 x IL-28. Sunk by SS-N-3 fired by Echo II SSGN "Sevastopol"
Maybe a simple Losses/Expenditures screen (as it is now) with a secondary "details" screen?