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Noticed several weird things going on with some support units.

Case 1:

OKW, the Stug Brigades show a TOE of 58-59%, however the actual TOE level is 100%.

If one opens up the window to compare actual to ideal TOE, the support squads are not being recognised, even though they are present.


Case 2:

Again OKW, the 504th and the 508th Hvy Pz Bats. They have been filled with SP AT for the last 20 turns and refuse to switch, even though there have been plenty of Tigers in the pool for a long time and there was also enough manpower on several turns to give replacements and even though sitting on a national depot.

In general it seems that the East gets first call on all replacements (if on refit) ahead of any unit in the west, even if on refit and sitting on national depot. I don't know if this is WAD. This also seems to affect the unready 305mm Howitzer Bats mentioned above.


Last but not least, the 116th Panzer Div is missing it's TOE upgrade path.

Prior Save

Yes, something odd going on in the display because it has 100% of TOE. The support squads should not even be counted into the TOE percentage so with just the 45 AFVs it should show 100% TOE. The fact that the detailed TOE screen lists 0 support instead of the 31 in the unit is clearly wrong. Bottom line is these units are at 100% and don't need to get replacements. Will bug the display issue. Thanks for the saves and report.

Some additional replacement weirdness regarding the Hvy Panzer, Panzer and unready Howitzer units in OKW mentioned in the first post. I took the save in the following post and switched off all refits in the east and west. The only units on refit should be the support units and of those only the ones in OKW are sitting on a national supply depot.

The result, nothing happens, replacements still go out to everyone else first. AIUI this is not WAD.

ORIGINAL: MechFO

I took the below save and switched all refits in the east and west. The only units on refit should be the support units and of those only the ones in OKW are sitting on a national supply depot.

The result, nothing happens, replacements still go out to everyone else first.

The save prior to the above logistics phase, however the refits are still on.

How are you getting the support units in OKW into refit mode? From what I can tell, they can't be put into refit mode.

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

How are you getting the support units in OKW into refit mode? From what I can tell, they can't be put into refit mode.

Manual page 74:

Support units are always in refit status (20.5.6), with
the exception of detached construction battalions.


Same as in WITE.