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Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:29 am
by Carterjon
I've been playing Battleground Italy and notice that the Luftwaffe is 90% gone after 30 odd turns, despite being given no missions, withdrawn fom airbases at risk of being bombed or overrun. Experimenting a little further, if I simply give the Allies no ADs and do not invade, so remain passive, Luftwaffe attrition remains around 50 airframes a turn, with one third being KIAs, even if all Gruppen are placed in rest mode. Training triples the losses. What is causing this? Too much Schnapps? BTW, the Allies seem to suffer insignificant operational losses under these conditions. Perhaps they are teetotal.

RE: Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:54 am
by Helpless
What do air losses charts say? Hard to comment w/o details. Training can be very destructive although it was toned down in the last patch.

Axis don't get too many trained pilots each turn (especially in limited map scenarios) and once they all used it pulls rookie crew, which does no good. Switching to "trained pilots" replacement mode may be not so bad idea.

RE: Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:29 am
by Denniss
Op losses were toned down for training but still seem to be too high, especially with destroyed aircraft. Italian piots often start with 40-45 exp but still crashing planes like mad.
With an experience at this level I expect multiple damaged aircraft but not a lot of crashes. I'd expect crashes with pilots below 30.
Maybe one should factor-in crew size, an aircraft with a crew of >=4 should be considered as having two pilots which in turn should reduce training losses (unless you really have two noobs flying).

RE: Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:07 pm
by Carterjon
Here is the loss report after 12 turns. No Axis or Allied air directives executed. Almost 1200 operational losses. perhaps it is all down to training?

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RE: Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:21 pm
by Helpless
Almost 1200 operational losses. perhaps it is all down to training?

Did you switched off automatic naval patrols? Metric screens provide more detailed view on losses.

RE: Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:23 pm
by Carterjon
Yes, Naval Patrols always switched off. Attached is metric screen of training losses. The spike seems to come half way through the game after I set all Gruppen to Rest mode. If I understand the manual they are not supposed to be training in this case.

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RE: Luftwaffe attrition

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:05 am
by Helpless
Yes, code allows resting groups to fly training flights. As I can see it is done intentionally, but obviously it contradicts with manual. We will make it in sync by next patch (probably by fixing the code). For now you may modify doctrines to set lower train exp.