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Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:02 pm
by undercovergeek
Ive topped up the aircraft on the KB at Truk - if i sail immediately will the planes repair en route or do i need to stay in base?
thanks for any help
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:09 pm
by dr.hal
They will repair while at sea. Ships company is full of aircraft mechanics and they never sleep, ask Steve. Hal
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:22 pm
by undercovergeek
splendid - thanks very much
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:08 pm
by witpqs
IIRC in the scenario file one of the parameters for a ship (carrier at least) is how much air support it has.
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:44 pm
by dr.hal
I think the support is based upon the maximum number of aircraft the CV can handle (Enterprise for example is 90) and if you go over that number then penalties start to accumulate.
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:11 am
by Leandros
Good to see - in my "Saving MacArthur" scenario the Enterprise mechanics are brushing up on the Army A-24's embarked in Brisbane. And the P-36's loaded up in
Pearl....How appropriate is that...?
Fred
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:49 am
by Jorge_Stanbury
a plane is a plane, so why not?
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:26 pm
by dr.hal
A concern might be appropriate if the planes were of a foreign origin, thus requiring unique tools (and measures, such as that foreign thing call "metric"!).
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:12 pm
by Leandros
ORIGINAL: dr.hal
A concern might be appropriate if the planes were of a foreign origin, thus requiring unique tools (and measures, such as that foreign thing call "metric"!).
Not to talk about proper spares. My idea was that the Navy had planes with much the same equipment; engines, weapons. For example, it was found that many of the
Army A-24's, when being assembled in Brisbane after having arrived with the Pensacola convoy, had worn-out engines and tires. Technically, the Navy SBD's were
quite similar to the Army A-24's as were the Wildcat and P-36 engines. And, of course, their armament.
During assembly many of the A-24 forward machine gun trigger solenoids had been accidently thrown away. This shouldn't necessarily be a show-stopper,
the A-24's were, after all, dive-bombers. But there was quite a buzz generated to get new ones to Australia. Some were loaded on B-17's destined for The
Philippines. Unfortunately, these were held up on Hawaii. Of course, in my scenario they are not allowed to be delayed there.
Apart from that, it would be interesting to know how the spare situation was on the US Carriers. How many spare .50 caliber trigger solenoids did a carrier.....
carry...? How many spare SBD tires and Wright Cyclone Engines?
As important, would the carrier quartermaster at all allow the Army to make use of his hallow stock....?
Come on, guys!
Fred
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:52 pm
by witpqs
Fred,
Some things to keep in mind.
• All analogies are imperfect.
• The map is not the terrain.
• All models are wrong; some models are useful.
Why? Because a depiction of a thing is not the thing. If it were, it would not be an analogy or a map or a model of any kind, it would be the thing itself.
AE can be looked at as a model in the sense that it is attempting to model an historical situation and capabilities. Now take a step back and look at what 'realistic' models aka simulations actually take. Massive capital investment. Huge operations costs, including teams of humans to work them. Them come the participants. Even paring things down to a 'more realistic' for a single person with a computer both a) costs far, far more and b) has a much smaller scope and less detailed scale.
Simply consider what you have in your hands now and how much of it was unpaid effort to produce. Every time you say you want more, are you really saying you want to pay that much more?
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:32 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: Leandros
ORIGINAL: dr.hal
A concern might be appropriate if the planes were of a foreign origin, thus requiring unique tools (and measures, such as that foreign thing call "metric"!).
Not to talk about proper spares. My idea was that the Navy had planes with much the same equipment; engines, weapons. For example, it was found that many of the
Army A-24's, when being assembled in Brisbane after having arrived with the Pensacola convoy, had worn-out engines and tires. Technically, the Navy SBD's were
quite similar to the Army A-24's as were the Wildcat and P-36 engines. And, of course, their armament.
During assembly many of the A-24 forward machine gun trigger solenoids had been accidently thrown away. This shouldn't necessarily be a show-stopper,
the A-24's were, after all, dive-bombers. But there was quite a buzz generated to get new ones to Australia. Some were loaded on B-17's destined for The
Philippines. Unfortunately, these were held up on Hawaii. Of course, in my scenario they are not allowed to be delayed there.
Apart from that, it would be interesting to know how the spare situation was on the US Carriers. How many spare .50 caliber trigger solenoids did a carrier.....
carry...? How many spare SBD tires and Wright Cyclone Engines?
As important, would the carrier quartermaster at all allow the Army to make use of his hallow stock....?
Come on, guys!
Fred
Well except for the missing tail hook thing the A24 was about the same. The army planes could take off from a flight deck but not land. I would assume that any aircraft embarked for transport on a carrier-unless crated, would also be embarked with a minimum of spare parts and a few technicians who could advise the normal personnel on board ships. After all they would need to be kept running and one stuck on the flight deck was useless regardless.
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:46 pm
by guytipton41
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Well except for the missing tail hook thing the A24 was about the same. The army planes could take off from a flight deck but not land. I would assume that any aircraft embarked for transport on a carrier-unless crated, would also be embarked with a minimum of spare parts and a few technicians who could advise the normal personnel on board ships. After all they would need to be kept running and one stuck on the flight deck was useless regardless.
Well,
If you have steam catapults even the ones in crates could take off.
Cheers,
Guy
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:20 pm
by wdolson
The game engine just assumes that any aircraft embarked on a carrier also have the necessary spare embarked to do repair en route. In most cases, carriers used as ferries carried aircraft similar to those they usually embarked. If a carrier is transporting a P-47 unit, the planes use the same engine as the F6F and F4U and being American made, the small parts like screws and such are probably pretty similar.
There were a few cases where carriers did carry aircraft the mechanics wouldn't have been familiar with, such as when the Wasp delivered Spitfires to Malta. I believe the Wasp embarked some RAF ground crews and carried Spitfire spares for that trip. In any case since the planes are only going to be flown off and not flown en route, the amount of maintenance required will be minimal. If known damaged planes were loaded, the people stocking the spares on the carrier probably would have been made aware of what work needed to be done and stocked the appropriate spares for the trip.
Bill
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:31 am
by Reg
ORIGINAL: guytipton41
Well,
If you have steam catapults even the ones in crates could take off.
Cheers,
Guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzdzZxgbsE
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:44 am
by Chijohnaok2
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:28 am
by undercovergeek
do the CVEs launch attack planes like CVLs and CVs or are they just there to provide extra deck space?
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:00 pm
by Ol_Dog
CVE 76 carried 12 Avengers and 16 Wildcats. In Taffy 2, one of their planes was the first to discover the return of the Japanese fleet at Leyte Gulf. They attacked the battleships and cruisers with everything they had, including the machine guns on the fighters.
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:00 pm
by HansBolter
All CVEs can launch and recover planes so yes they can 'attack'.
However, there is a class of CVEs that specialize in Replenishment of combat carriers.
They have a capacity of 28 planes and carry two squadrons each with 28 planes.
This means they are over capacity for flight ops and cannot land planes. They can still fly off replacement planes though.
These CVEs can provide replacement planes to combat carriers in normal transfer range of their squadrons.
If you remove one of the replenishment squadrons, or limit each of them to have half their full capacity the replenishment squadrons can fly combat missions.
You can also move the replenishment squadrons to a base, from which they will still operate to provide replacement planes to com bat carrier squadrons in range, and place any other carrier capable squadrons on the flat top and use it offensively.
The Americans eventually get so many CVEs that most players see the benefit in using the Replenishment CVEs for their intended purpose.
RE: Will aircraft repair on a flight deck?
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:17 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
All CVEs can launch and recover planes so yes they can 'attack'.
However, there is a class of CVEs that specialize in Replenishment of combat carriers.
They have a capacity of 28 planes and carry two squadrons each with 28 planes.
This means they are over capacity for flight ops and cannot land planes. They can still fly off replacement planes though.
These CVEs can provide replacement planes to combat carriers in normal transfer range of their squadrons.
If you remove one of the replenishment squadrons, or limit each of them to have half their full capacity the replenishment squadrons can fly combat missions.
You can also move the replenishment squadrons to a base, from which they will still operate to provide replacement planes to com bat carrier squadrons in range, and place any other carrier capable squadrons on the flat top and use it offensively.
The Americans eventually get so many CVEs that most players see the benefit in using the Replenishment CVEs for their intended purpose.
There is such a shortage of trained Navy pilots and spare squadrons that when the first VR (replenishment squadrons) arrive I almost always pull the units off their ships and let them train pilots in the States. I strip out the first line aircraft and replace them with all my leftover Brewsters and Helldivers. The CVEs then get expanded Marine units and are sent to the fight. After mid 1944 I then revert a half dozen of so CVEs back to replenishment carriers. They are quite useful in that role.