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Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:22 am
by mikmykWS
Another great article from NR.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3021
Slowly moving forward on this.
Mike
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:02 am
by ComDev
Thanks for the heads-up [8D]
Anyone know the designation of this weapon? AGM-179 perhaps?
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:42 am
by xavierv
^ I can try to ask again (both NAVAIR and LM) but back in April it was still not picked
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:38 pm
by xavierv
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:43 pm
by Tomcat84
Nice scoop
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:09 pm
by NakedWeasel
I posted this article in the Command Facebook Group page last night, and I posted this comment/question:
First, I'd like to be the first to say that is one sexy anti-ship missile in satin black.
But seriously, I am trying to figure out how LRASM and JSM fits into the same roadmap. Are we going to be potentially fielding 3 new ASM weapons, (including the TLAM MMMT)? I would absolutely love to think so, as they all have unique capabilities- but they all seem to have some overlap as well.
The TLAM can be launched by ship or sub, has long range, but AFAIK has no air launch capability.
The LRASM is air and surface launch capable, is slightly smaller and lighter than a Tomahawk, but cannot be launched from a sub, or the F-35 unless carried externally.
The JSM is again even smaller than both LRASM and TLAM MMMT, can be carried in larger numbers, and can be launched from air, (including internally from the F-35), as well as surface and sub-surface platforms. It just doesn't hit quite as hard as the other two.
So what's up? Are we producing 3 different ASMs right now with the intention of fielding all three? Enquiring minds want to know.
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:02 pm
by SeaQueen
LRASM is intended to be a much more capable, long-range, stealthy follow-on to the Harpoon. Tomahawk MMT is intended to be an interim solution. JSM is a smaller anti-ship missile intended to fit inside the bomb-bay of an F-35. The small size imposes limitations on it, though, forcing the engineers to trade off between range and warhead size. Longer range -> Smaller Warhead, Shorter-Range -> Larger Warhead. That means that it's probably less useful against high-threat targets armed with strategic SAM, where you want the extra range so you don't have to get too close to them, and the smaller warhead size means it's less likely for a weapon that hits its target to put it out of action.
But seriously, I am trying to figure out how LRASM and JSM fits into the same roadmap. Are we going to be potentially fielding 3 new ASM weapons, (including the TLAM MMMT)? I would absolutely love to think so, as they all have unique capabilities- but they all seem to have some overlap as well.
The TLAM can be launched by ship or sub, has long range, but AFAIK has no air launch capability.
The LRASM is air and surface launch capable, is slightly smaller and lighter than a Tomahawk, but cannot be launched from a sub, or the F-35 unless carried externally.
The JSM is again even smaller than both LRASM and TLAM MMMT, can be carried in larger numbers, and can be launched from air, (including internally from the F-35), as well as surface and sub-surface platforms. It just doesn't hit quite as hard as the other two.
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:43 pm
by Cheechako
ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel
I posted this article in the Command Facebook Group page last night, and I posted this comment/question:
First, I'd like to be the first to say that is one sexy anti-ship missile in satin black.
But seriously, I am trying to figure out how LRASM and JSM fits into the same roadmap. Are we going to be potentially fielding 3 new ASM weapons, (including the TLAM MMMT)? I would absolutely love to think so, as they all have unique capabilities- but they all seem to have some overlap as well.
The TLAM can be launched by ship or sub, has long range, but AFAIK has no air launch capability.
The LRASM is air and surface launch capable, is slightly smaller and lighter than a Tomahawk, but cannot be launched from a sub, or the F-35 unless carried externally.
The JSM is again even smaller than both LRASM and TLAM MMMT, can be carried in larger numbers, and can be launched from air, (including internally from the F-35), as well as surface and sub-surface platforms. It just doesn't hit quite as hard as the other two.
So what's up? Are we producing 3 different ASMs right now with the intention of fielding all three? Enquiring minds want to know.
Also potentially add the NSM (I know it's almost identical to the JSM but...) There's a RFI out for the LCS for an OTH missile. From everything on the net, it seems that missile will probably be either the harpoon or NSM.
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:29 pm
by ComDev
Good job on the designation, I've updated the database. Thanks! [:D]
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:30 pm
by ComDev
The AGM-158C LRASM is more than twice the weight of the JSM [8D]
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:07 pm
by mikmykWS
Nice work!
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:58 am
by xavierv
Don't forget "Harpoon Next Generation" that will compete for LCS OTH weapon (but not for AOSUW Increment II)
The LRASM is air and surface launch capable, is slightly smaller and lighter than a Tomahawk, but cannot be launched from a sub
LM is working on a sub launched variant actually
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:12 pm
by NakedWeasel
Yes I did see that. I also saw that Kongsberg was developing a sub-launched variant of the NSM as well.
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:39 pm
by Cheechako
ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel
Yes I did see that. I also saw that Kongsberg was developing a sub-launched variant of the NSM as well.
I thought the sub-launch version was actually based on the JSM.
RE: Naval Recognition: LRASM testing on F/A-18E/F started in August
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:16 am
by NakedWeasel
ORIGINAL: Cheechako
ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel
Yes I did see that. I also saw that Kongsberg was developing a sub-launched variant of the NSM as well.
I thought the sub-launch version was actually based on the JSM.
Possibly. It gets a little confusing. I'm a bit too tired at the moment to research it, but I am reasonably certain I saw a graphic from Kongsberg that depicted a containerized, tube-launched missile.