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ORIGINAL: RisingSun

That one lucky shot with torpedoes taken out that train.

ORIGINAL: crsutton

American sub claims like American aircraft kills were highly exaggerated. It is probably likely that Barb did not kill half of the ships claimed. When matched with official Japanese records after the war actual sunk ships were probably about half of the actual claims and credit given during the war. I suppose it was good for morale and fostered confidence and aggression to allow sailors to brag a little bit. I doubt that once one of those symbols went up on the conning tower that it would ever come down for any reason.

Just got through re reading about the Guadalcanal campaign and the actual Japanese aircraft losses compared to the claims of the Marine and Navy aviators over Lunga ran to about 1 to 3. Japanese pilots were even worse in inflating their claims. But most of it was not due to a lack of truthfulness, it was just the speed and stress of combat created confusion. The naval battles were the worst with American and Japanese sailors claiming torpedo hits every time they saw a gun flash. Except some of the Japanese torpedoes actually hit and exploded. [;)]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

Reminds me of Operation Petticoat .....

It appears the train was taken out by a landing party of commandos. Quite the daring mission, considering.

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: crsutton

American sub claims like American aircraft kills were highly exaggerated. It is probably likely that Barb did not kill half of the ships claimed. When matched with official Japanese records after the war actual sunk ships were probably about half of the actual claims and credit given during the war. I suppose it was good for morale and fostered confidence and aggression to allow sailors to brag a little bit. I doubt that once one of those symbols went up on the conning tower that it would ever come down for any reason.

Just got through re reading about the Guadalcanal campaign and the actual Japanese aircraft losses compared to the claims of the Marine and Navy aviators over Lunga ran to about 1 to 3. Japanese pilots were even worse in inflating their claims. But most of it was not due to a lack of truthfulness, it was just the speed and stress of combat created confusion. The naval battles were the worst with American and Japanese sailors claiming torpedo hits every time they saw a gun flash. Except some of the Japanese torpedoes actually hit and exploded. [;)]

Normally I'd totally agree with you. But not to long before his death RADM Fluckey became regular visiting author at the Navy Memorial book shop and I got to know him pretty well. I don't think I've ever got to a man that radiated integrity more than Gene Flucky. Nor after reading his accounts and those of others do I think I ever met a Crazier man (doing some of the thing he did while on Barb). So if no other reason that loyalty I'll need to take issue with you. [:)] Sorry. [:D]

ORIGINAL: wegman58

I remember this being very comprehensive and in my HS library -
http://www.amazon.com/United-States-Sub ... ns+in+WWII

But I can critique better now and haven't seen it in almost 40 years.