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OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:52 pm
by BeirutDude
OK, how do I make the map for the Choose Scenario GUI for a custom scenario? Is it in the manual and I just can't find it?
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:59 pm
by Jason Petho
To create a new scenario, you'll need two files:
1. The Map file. My_Scenario.map
2. The Org file. My_Scenario.org
As a test, you can open up an existing map and then SAVE AS the map name to something new.
Create your org file and SAVE AS to the same name as your map file.
Then to use them in the SCENARIO editor, open up the scenario editor, press cancel, then press new.
It will ask you to choose the map and org files you want to use; select the ones you created in both cases.
SAVE AS your same name.scn
Place your units. Set your victory levels and conditions and you're off to the races.
I'll make a tutorial about how to do this, step by step in the coming weeks.
Jason Petho
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:41 pm
by BeirutDude
No! No! No!

I am already way past that, the scenario is done. No I need to make this map and it's the hardest part!

RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:45 pm
by Warhorse
I thought we had included a template of the little map for scenario design? One would only need to add flags and text to it then! Let me look around for you!
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:54 pm
by BeirutDude
There are Pictures in the "Pictures" folder but they don't seem to work.
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:04 pm
by Warhorse
Ok, what area does your battle occur in? It appears there are a couple different variations of those, depending on where yours takes place, can make a new one? Are you good with graphics, or, I can make one for you!
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:07 pm
by BeirutDude
It is a 1985 repeat of the Valley Of Tears, on June 17th, 1985. Side B - Syrian and Side A is IDF. What program are you using to make them? I tried making them 258 x 128 pixel BMPs but nothing is showing up. What parameters need to be met for it to show up?
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:11 pm
by Warhorse
I use Corel Paintshop Pro X7, but also have older versions as well, you can use just paint as well, make sure they are 256 colors though, higher color depth won't work, which is what I suspect you have it at? Just decrease it, and make sure the bmp is in graphics folder!
EDIT: and BTW, thanks for making a scenario, can't wait to see it!
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:16 pm
by Jason Petho
I made them using CorelDraw X7.
I can make one for you.
Give me a night or two.
Jason Petho
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:29 pm
by BeirutDude
Jason, thanks but I'd like to learn how myself as this won't be my last scenario. If I made one and sent it to you could you tell me what is wrong with it. I just have Paint but out buy a cheap editor.
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:00 pm
by BeirutDude
OK, I just tried making a map and resizing with IrfanView with no joy.
Guys, I've got to tell you I am just a bit torqued. Look at this from my POV I created a scenario yesterday, I have it play tested today and now I am spending more time (or so it seems) on this stupid little map than on the scenario itself. May I make a suggestion, I will not be the only one here with this issue (I saw it with the old version as well with the pictures).
1. Step by Step instructions using a common editing tool
2. Provide a few generic maps with the Sides A and B being IDF and Israeli/Egyptian/Jordanian and the converse. They won't cover every situation, but a lot of them.
Al
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:01 pm
by BeirutDude
In scenario design the hard things are easy and the easy things are hard! Oh wait that was combat...[:D][8D][:)]
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:56 pm
by Jason Petho
I used ESRI's ARCGIS (I'm a cartographer, that's one of my tools of the trade) and a spatially projected an image from Natural Earth to create the background image. I chose the area of interest that I wanted in the background, then exported it as a BMP.
I imported that BMP into CorelDraw X7 and ensured that the area fit into the expected eventual export area.
I used an existing explosion symbol (vector), that I had created when I was making maps for the Armchair General Magazine, to identify the battle location and added the basic battle details in Knockout Light 69 font.
Added the flags and labels.
Exported as an 8 bit BMP
Renamed it to match the scenario.scn file name.
And it works.
Jason Petho
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:30 am
by Crossroads
ORIGINAL: Beachinnole
Guys, I've got to tell you I am just a bit torqued. Look at this from my POV I created a scenario yesterday, I have it play tested today and now I am spending more time (or so it seems) on this stupid little map than on the scenario itself. May I make a suggestion, I will not be the only one here with this issue (I saw it with the old version as well with the pictures).
I would wage a small bet is the file format of the little map you created.
It needs to be in this peculiar 8 bit (ARCGIS) / 256 color (PSP) / 24 bit Indexed Mode (GIMP) format.
One these little irks we've got on our list to fix at some stage so they would use the same file format as being used everywhere else.
You can email me the file I will have a look. krazykat dot theblitz at gmail dot com.
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:34 am
by BeirutDude
Jason,
OK I have ArcMap as I am my Office's GIS Dept (and X.O.) but I don't have Corel. Despite that I think you would agree the steps you outlined are a bit above the skills of the average "Guest Designer" Might I suggest creating a few "Stock Maps" which are generic enough for designers to use for "Guest Designs."
Crossroads, thank you for the offer.
Al
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:41 am
by Jason Petho
I can do that this weekend, Al!
Jason Petho
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:57 am
by BeirutDude
Jason, Thank You very much! I'm going to post the Scenario I've been working on and then add your map with an update down the road.
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:16 pm
by Jason Petho
Al, can you email me your email address. I have a handful of templates I can send over.
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:35 pm
by BeirutDude
Got them Thanks!
RE: OK how do I make the little map for a custom scenario
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:54 pm
by Jason Petho
No problem!