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German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:47 pm
by jzardos
So now that Jager (and light prior to that) have the same symbol as a mountain unit, does that mean that share the same abilities/attributes as mountain divisions?

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:32 am
by Cavalry Corp
There are also some symbols that are wrong like rocket art - is that by design because it has some other effect?

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:13 pm
by Michael T
Jager are now just like Mountain units in the blizzard.

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:18 pm
by Denniss
These Jäger divs were mountain units as well although not usually equipped with specialized Artillery etc to transport in pieces through heavy terrain, this stuff was reserved for the highly specialized Gebirgsdivision type units.

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:56 am
by wosung
ORIGINAL: Denniss

These Jäger divs were mountain units as well although not usually equipped with specialized Artillery etc to transport in pieces through heavy terrain, this stuff was reserved for the highly specialized Gebirgsdivision type units.

How do you define "mountain unit"? Jäger divisions had no alpine training. Those units were weakly motorised light infantry for fighting in dense forest, swamps and low mountains.

As for "WitE Blizzard elite", in 1941 German mountain and jäger divisions were non-fit for the Russian winter just like the ordinary infantry: B/c of the logistic strain they had no winterized equipment. Just like everybody else.

As for German Ski-Jäger, in Winter 1941 beside some improvised ski companies, only one batallion was formed as an emergency measure. In 1942 11 additional batallions were formed. Used a like ordinary infantry in the summner 1942 all those suffered heavy casualites and soon were unfit for combat. Same story for the 1. Ski-Jäger bde/div. in 1944.

IMO, German jäger and mountain units are much overrated in WiTE.


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebirgstr ... utschland)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/1._Skij%C ... Wehrmacht)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ge ... #Wehrmacht



RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:46 pm
by SuluSea
ORIGINAL: wosung


How do you define "mountain unit"? Jäger divisions had no alpine training. Those units were weakly motorised light infantry for fighting in dense forest, swamps and low mountains.

As for "WitE Blizzard elite", in 1941 German mountain and jäger divisions were non-fit for the Russian winter just like the ordinary infantry: B/c of the logistic strain they had no winterized equipment. Just like everybody else.
No matter the nation, specialized units tend to be more resourceful during the task at hand.
IMO it's tough to argue with the developers decisions.

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:29 pm
by morvael
It's all my fault. It was too hard to add something between normal infantry and mountain, so Denniss decided it's better to represent those units as mountain than infantry.

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:24 am
by Hunter63
Very use full units during first blizzard.

Break them down into regiments and they will help hold a large area of the front.


RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:11 pm
by Cavalry Corp
Are the ski battalions in the game?

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:40 pm
by Stelteck
Soviet side yes, you can built ski support units.
German side there are probably some ski support units too.

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:52 pm
by Cavalry Corp
I will have to see - I know the Fins have some I think.

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:30 am
by Hagar
As specialized Ski ground elements I only can find these:
GP0141 Germany Ski Jäger Squad
GP0142 Germany Ski Sturm Squad
GP0155 Finland Ski Squad (Fin)

As support units go, a quick scroll through the editor wields these (though the list might be incomplete):
Italy: 41 Italian Ski Battalion
Germany: 43 Skijager Brigade and 44 Skijager Division
SU: 41 Ski Battalion, 42 Ski Battalion, 42 Ski Brigade
Fin: the Commando Battalion has Ski ground elements, and the Jaeger Brigade might too (though I haven't been able to verify it)

RE: German Mountain and Jager units

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:03 am
by Denniss
I may need to review them for the next version but I remember that Finns and units with Ski in name have hardcoded winter bonusses.