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Its December 1939. The Soviets have annexed Eastern Poland but I cannot move my Soviet units into the area. Furthermore a German unit has 'captured' Lvov. Is this WAD?

Thanks anybody who can assist

From what you describe in your AAR, like Poland still getting MPP, Germans advancing into Lvov, it seems Poland has not yet surrendered. That looks like a big bug you have encountered. By now their morale should be zero and they should have surrendered.

ORIGINAL: Amona

From what you describe in your AAR, like Poland still getting MPP, Germans advancing into Lvov, it seems Poland has not yet surrendered. That looks like a big bug you have encountered. By now their morale should be zero and they should have surrendered.

warspite1

Come to think of it I can recall no actual announcement to the effect Poland has been conquered. Every Polish unit was destroyed and Warsaw taken. The Polish symbol still appears in the top left hand corner. I've switched sides so I can see what is happening in Poland. German troops seem to be building on the western borders. This picture confirms that there are no Polish units left and Warsaw is German. There is one German corps moving around Lvov and environs.

As said I also cannot move Soviet units into Eastern Poland. I definitely ordered the Soviets to move into Eastern Poland because I got the message pop up about plummeting Polish Morale as result. I did not then actually move Soviet units into the territory as the message said the AI would take care of that. Should I have done so? Does the program think the Soviet invasion has lapsed because I did not actually move a unit in there?

So two potential issues here. Can someone help please?

There are some events that cover this part. It looks to me like something hasn't triggered (yet), or...
There's also a possibility you got one of the events below and told the Russians to go get some vodka in Moscow. [:D]
I'm sure Bill can tell you what's wrong as he's the script master.

#NAME= DE 406 - USSR: Order the Red Army to advance into Poland? #POPUP= Red Army Headquarters %N%NNow that the German invasion of Poland is well underway, it is important that we do not show weakness and let the Germans gain the whole country. %N%NIt is therefore important that we fulfil our side of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact by marching into Poland, even though it will cause some slight harm to our relationship with the UK and France. %N%NWould you like to order the Red Army to prepare to advance into Poland?
#IMAGE=
#SOUND= teletype_1.ogg, teletype_2.ogg
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 1
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
;Set global variable condition to always trigger (dummy value)
#GV= 1[1,100]
;Set link value to always trigger (dummy value)
#LINK= 0[0]
#COUNTRY_ID= 116
#TRIGGER= 100
#DISPLAY_ORDER= 1
; Set decision value
#DECISION= 406
#MPP_UPDOWN= 0
#MPP_TURNS= 0
#MPP_TEXT=
#NOTES= This decision will play a key role in determining the boundaries between Germany and the USSR after Poland has fallen, and if we do not advance into Poland then the Germans will have a good starting point from which to invade the USSR. %N%NGiven our current poor state of readiness for war, saying (NO) could put us in a very compromising situation. %N%NSaying (YES) and advancing into Poland will also provide us with the possibility of increasing our income by capturing Lwow, and by holding the fortress of Brest-Litovsk we will be able to slow the German invasion that is bound to come within the next few years. %N%NNote that even if we do say (YES) to this and invade, it is possible that the Germans will refuse to honor the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and force us to withdraw from Poland. %N%NDesigner's Note: this advance is fully handled by the engine, so it is neither possible nor required to manually move any Red Army forces into Poland.
#NOTES_POSITION= 194,75
; Set AI acceptance % (AI will accept 100% of the time)
#AI_RESPONSE= 100
#AI_RESPONSE_POPUP=
#DATE= 1939/09/01
#TEXT_RGB= 0,0,0
#SHADOW_RGB= 0,0,0
; Berlin is in Axis hands
#ALIGNMENT_POSITION= 173,74 [1]
;Set National Morale Trigger (dummy value)
#NATIONAL_MORALE_TRIGGER= 0 [0]
; Set variable conditions:
; 1st Line - USSR politically aligned with Allies and but not fully mobilized
; 2nd Line - Poland politically aligned with the Allies and not surrendered
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 116 [2] [0] [0]
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 85 [2] [100] [0]
; An Axis unit is in range of Warsaw
#CONDITION_POSITION= 188,76 [2,2] [1,1] [1] [0]
; An Axis unit is in range of Lwow
#CONDITION_POSITION= 194,82 [2,2] [1,1] [1] [0]
; An Axis unit is in range of Lublin
#CONDITION_POSITION= 191,78 [2,2] [1,1] [1] [0]
; An Axis unit is in range of Kutno
#CONDITION_POSITION= 185,75 [2,2] [1,1] [1] [0]
}


There are some variations possible in this scenario. [:)]

;REMOVE1940
;
; Poland Surrenders (Germany occupies all of Poland as USSR didn't invade)
{
#NAME= DE 600 - German Occupation of Poland
#POPUP= Germany Occupies Poland
#IMAGE=
#SOUND= transport_movement.ogg
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 0
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
; Set global variable condition to always trigger (dummy value)
#GV= 1[1,100]
; Set link value to always trigger (dummy value)
#LINK= 406[0]
#COUNTRY_ID= 85
#RECIPIENT_ID= 45
#SURRENDERED_TO= 1
#TRIGGER= 100

;REMOVE1940
;
; Poland Surrenders (Germany occupies Poland)
{
#NAME= DE 600 - German Occupation of Poland
#POPUP= Germany Forces The Red Army To Fall Back To The Soviet Frontier As They Occupy All Of Poland
#IMAGE=
#SOUND= transport_movement.ogg
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 0
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
; Set global variable condition to always trigger (dummy value)
#GV= 1[1,100]
; Set link value to always trigger (dummy value)
#LINK= 600[0]
#COUNTRY_ID= 85
#RECIPIENT_ID= 45
#SURRENDERED_TO= 1
#TRIGGER= 100

; Poland Surrenders (Germany occupies western half of Poland)
{
#NAME= DE 600 - German Occupation of Western Poland
#POPUP= Germany Occupies Western Poland
#IMAGE=
#SOUND= transport_movement.ogg
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 0
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
; Set global variable condition to always trigger (dummy value)
#GV= 1[1,100]
; Set link value to always trigger (dummy value)
#LINK= 600[1]
#COUNTRY_ID= 85
#RECIPIENT_ID= 45
#SURRENDERED_TO= 1
#TRIGGER= 100

; Poland Surrenders (USSR occupies eastern half of Poland)
{
#NAME= DE 600 - Soviet Occupation of Eastern Poland
#POPUP= The USSR Occupies Eastern Poland
#IMAGE=
#SOUND= tank_movement1.ogg
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 0
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
; Set global variable condition to always trigger (dummy value)
#GV= 1[1,100]
; Set link value to always trigger (dummy value)
#LINK= 600[1]
#COUNTRY_ID= 85
#RECIPIENT_ID= 116
#SURRENDERED_TO= 1
#TRIGGER= 100

Thanks - it was DE406 I saw and I answered yes to. I hope Bill sees this and responds soon as this is incredibly frustrating.

Hi warspite1

The Soviet advance into Poland is not something you can do yourself, but when Poland surrenders and if the Germans agree to honor the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, then the USSR will gain eastern Poland. So everything is contingent on it surrendering.

From reading your AAR thread and looking at the image above, it seems that Poland has lost Warsaw but hasn't actually surrendered.

If in your turn you can still see Poland in your Purchase and Research screen then that will indeed be the case.

If so, can you please let me know if there are any Polish units still in play, and what is Poland's National Morale level?

Thanks

Bill

ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre

Hi warspite1

The Soviet advance into Poland is not something you can do yourself, but when Poland surrenders and if the Germans agree to honor the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, then the USSR will gain eastern Poland. So everything is contingent on it surrendering.

From reading your AAR thread and looking at the image above, it seems that Poland has lost Warsaw but hasn't actually surrendered.

If in your turn you can still see Poland in your Purchase and Research screen then that will indeed be the case.

If so, can you please let me know if there are any Polish units still in play, and what is Poland's National Morale level?

Thanks

Bill

warspite1

Hi Bill as per your request:

- There are no Polish units on the map.
- Poland's NM is 0/7,500 (0%)
Mobilisation 100%
Industrial Modifier 50%
Beligerence - Germany & Minors
MPP = 54

You can't move Russian units into Poland as long as Poland is still a nation on the map. The whole thing happens more or less virtually.
From what I see on your screenshot Poland is still at War.
I remember from your AAR that you refused to honor secret part of the Hitler-Stalin, at least that was my interpretation of the "i'll risk that / two front" remark.

ORIGINAL: warspite1
The Soviets also have a decision. Does Stalin want to invoke the secret protocols of the Nazi-Soviet Pact and invade Eastern Poland?
Apparently if we say yes the Germans may not honour their side of the NS Pact.
Well I think I will risk that. If Adolf wants a war on two fronts good luck to him....

DE 406 – USSR: Order the Red Army to advance
into Poland?
Event fires: When the USSR is politically aligned
with the Allies but not fully mobilized, Poland is
Allied and has not surrendered, Berlin is in Axis
hands and an Axis unit is within 2 hexes of either
Warsaw, Lwow, Lublin or Kutno.
Cost of accepting: Nothing.
Yes: Providing Germany honors the Molotov-
Ribbentrop Pact, when Poland surrenders the
USSR will gain territory in Poland, thus increasing
the distance a future German invasion of the
USSR will have to advance. It will also provide the
USSR with the fortified Towns of Brest-Litovsk
and Przemysl, with Garrisons to defend them,
and income from the city of Lwow. The USSR will
swing 5% towards the Allies, and Polish National
Morale will fall by 2,500 points as news of the
Soviet invasion spreads throughout Poland.
No: Germany will gain all of Poland when the
country surrenders, and this would prove a very
useful jumping off point for their future invasion
of the USSR. Germany will also still receive food
supplies from the Ukraine.
Notes:
1. This advance is handled by the game engine,
so the USSR will not actually be at war with
Poland, nor will actual units move into the
country.
2. The final location of the frontier is also
contingent on Germany honoring the
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and on the
outcome of negotiations to revise the Borders
and Friendship Treaty. See DE 412 and DE
600 for further details.
3. The deployment locations of Soviet forces in
the western USSR when they enter the war
will be determined by this decision as well as
by DE 600.

So if you have answered No instead of YES

ORIGINAL: warspite1
If Adolf wants a war on two fronts good luck to him....

poland could still be undefeated, only to fall later completely into the Huns hands.

ORIGINAL: Xwormwood

You can't move Russian units into Poland as long as Poland is still a nation on the map. The whole thing happens more or less virtually.
From what I see on your screenshot Poland is still at War.
I remember from your AAR that you refused to honor secret part of the Hitler-Stalin, at least that was my interpretation of the "i'll risk that / two front" remark.

ORIGINAL: warspite1
The Soviets also have a decision. Does Stalin want to invoke the secret protocols of the Nazi-Soviet Pact and invade Eastern Poland?
Apparently if we say yes the Germans may not honour their side of the NS Pact.
Well I think I will risk that. If Adolf wants a war on two fronts good luck to him....

DE 406 – USSR: Order the Red Army to advance
into Poland?
Event fires: When the USSR is politically aligned
with the Allies but not fully mobilized, Poland is
Allied and has not surrendered, Berlin is in Axis
hands and an Axis unit is within 2 hexes of either
Warsaw, Lwow, Lublin or Kutno.
Cost of accepting: Nothing.
Yes: Providing Germany honors the Molotov-
Ribbentrop Pact, when Poland surrenders the
USSR will gain territory in Poland, thus increasing
the distance a future German invasion of the
USSR will have to advance. It will also provide the
USSR with the fortified Towns of Brest-Litovsk
and Przemysl, with Garrisons to defend them,
and income from the city of Lwow. The USSR will
swing 5% towards the Allies, and Polish National
Morale will fall by 2,500 points as news of the
Soviet invasion spreads throughout Poland.
No: Germany will gain all of Poland when the
country surrenders, and this would prove a very
useful jumping off point for their future invasion
of the USSR. Germany will also still receive food
supplies from the Ukraine.
Notes:
1. This advance is handled by the game engine,
so the USSR will not actually be at war with
Poland, nor will actual units move into the
country.
2. The final location of the frontier is also
contingent on Germany honoring the
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and on the
outcome of negotiations to revise the Borders
and Friendship Treaty. See DE 412 and DE
600 for further details.
3. The deployment locations of Soviet forces in
the western USSR when they enter the war
will be determined by this decision as well as
by DE 600.

So if you have answered No instead of YES

ORIGINAL: warspite1
If Adolf wants a war on two fronts good luck to him....

poland could still be undefeated, only to fall later completely into the Huns hands.

warspite1

I answered Yes. The question is - why is Poland still a nation on the map?

Hi warspite1

It might be best if you send me a saved turn (zipped up if possible) to Bill.Runacre@furysoftware.com as from everything you have posted, Poland should have surrendered.

Thanks

Bill

ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre

Hi warspite1

It might be best if you send me a saved turn (zipped up if possible) to Bill.Runacre@furysoftware.com as from everything you have posted, Poland should have surrendered.

Thanks

Bill

warspite1

How do I do that please? I am in the game folder but can see nothing that looks like a saved game folder, much less a saved game.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre

Hi warspite1

It might be best if you send me a saved turn (zipped up if possible) to Bill.Runacre@furysoftware.com as from everything you have posted, Poland should have surrendered.

Thanks

Bill

warspite1

How do I do that please? I am in the game folder but can see nothing that looks like a saved game folder, much less a saved game.

The save games are filed under documents/my games/...

ORIGINAL: Xwormwood

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre

Hi warspite1

It might be best if you send me a saved turn (zipped up if possible) to Bill.Runacre@furysoftware.com as from everything you have posted, Poland should have surrendered.

Thanks

Bill

warspite1

How do I do that please? I am in the game folder but can see nothing that looks like a saved game folder, much less a saved game.

The save games are filed under documents/my games/...

warspite1

I don't seem to have one of those [:(]..well obviously I do, but I've no idea where.

Oh well - time to start again I guess....

If you're using Win 7 you can always use the search menu which can be found by using the "Start" button:

My saves are here:

C:\Users\Bill\Documents\My Games\Strategic Command WWII - War In Europe\Save

The bit in bold will no doubt be something else on your system.