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OT: Use of Captured Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:21 pm
by Revthought
It is, of course, well known that during the Second World War, particularly on the Eastern front, both sides used vehicles and equipment that were captured during the course of the war. In fact, War in the East actually models this, which I think is awesome, but that's another story entirely.

My question is: to what extend this this happen in the Pacific War. Specifically, did the Japanese make use of equipment captured during their expansion in the early war? Did either side make a practice of this in China?

Just curious.

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:30 pm
by Lecivius
Marines & the local CAU used Japanese equipment to finish the initial strip on Henderson. They also confiscated the ice cream maker [;)] Once they got going the US just bulldozed Japanese equipment. The Japanses used a lot of stuff they found in HK, Singapore, Sebang, and Palembang. I'm not sure anywhere else.

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:47 pm
by Encircled
Been a while since I played it, but WITE simulates in pretty well.

You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:07 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
Japanese definitively used anything they captured, that said, there was not a lot of "interesting" equipment available, most of the American and British equipment captured was old/ substandard and in small numbers.

I can see them using Allied Stuarts, trucks, halftrucks, and construction equipment, otherwise not a lot to show. Aircraft captured probably was more useful for R&D and propaganda purposes

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:09 pm
by Orm
You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!
I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:49 pm
by crsutton
The Japanese captured a large amount of merchant shipping and made good use of it. As for weapons, I am sure that they made good use of tanks, trucks and weaponry captured during the expansion. The problem was that Japanese industry did not have the capacity to expand to produce ammunition and spare parts. So any use was limited to existing stocks.

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:00 pm
by Encircled
I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

Nah, seen pics of lots of them in German markings, and they are in the OOB of quite a few units in 1942 on the Eastern Front.

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:01 pm
by Canoerebel
Japanese made liberal use of big shore guns. Didn't the Singapore guns end up on Ponape or Tarawa?

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:44 pm
by Alpha77
ORIGINAL: Encircled
I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

Nah, seen pics of lots of them in German markings, and they are in the OOB of quite a few units in 1942 on the Eastern Front.

They painted some more markings on them it seems:[;)] ASFAIK the 76mm ammo for T34 and the same calliber field/AT guns were manufactured in Germany (one of the few munitions for captured weapons, they had so many of them so it made sense... they would even ship some 76mm to Africa iirc - quite a long way)

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:52 pm
by Alpha77
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Japanese made liberal use of big shore guns. Didn't the Singapore guns end up on Ponape or Tarawa?

I believe Tarawa (betio?), check this awesome footage (he talks there about captured Japanese guns in it somewhere I believe VICKERS guns? - edit, he said these guns were purchased by the Japanese not captured)


WW2 1943 Battle of Tarawa Japanese sites (Kiribati, Gilbert Islands), Central Pacific

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5q-O7NqXx0

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:07 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
Germans used T-34
they added commander's cupola, radio equipment and oversize markings to reduce the chance of friendly fire

they used damaged tanks as AT guns

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:09 pm
by Revthought
ORIGINAL: Orm
You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!
I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

Oh, no, the Germans definitely used t34s. They just painted a German cross on them.

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:22 pm
by btd64
The Japanese captured a few B-17"s. Experimented with them....GP

RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:44 pm
by Leandros
The Germans converted specifically a party of Soviet KV-1's for the planned invasion of Malta.
Here's a picture of my Hobby Master 1/72 scale model of it - they installed a new turret cupola.
This is the actual camo pattern intended to be used in the operation:




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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:45 pm
by MakeeLearn
Marines Fire Captured Japanese Mountain Gun, Saipan

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:54 pm
by MakeeLearn
M3, but this one ex-Brit captured in Burma, Brit style stowage

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:56 pm
by MakeeLearn
Russian T26 in Burma

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:58 pm
by MakeeLearn
Thompson SMG (Fourth Soldier from right)

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:00 pm
by MakeeLearn
Captured Bofors 40mm AA Gun

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:00 pm
by Orm
Thank you, guys, for the info and correction about the T-34. [&o] [:)]

Apparently it was yet another fact wrong in a book of mine. It is so nice to be able to visit here and read your posts. Thank you.