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Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:05 pm
by HalfLifeExpert
Just a simple thread asking:
Do you use NATO icons or the Stylized Icons in Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations?
I personally use the NTDS/NATO symbols, and find them much more helpful and informative than the stylized icons. They may not be that helpful for newer players, but in my opinion it really is worth it to learn NATO symbols, as they are very informative.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:22 pm
by Sigma8510
NTDS all the way! Trained to them, so can't teach an old dog new tricks.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:16 pm
by Primarchx
I used to run Harpoon with stylized but Command has been NTDS from Day 1.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:37 pm
by DWReese
Not that this is an official poll, and just so the other side is represented, I use the stylized. My eyes find it easier to actually "see" what is what using the stylized over the NTDS.
Doug
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:25 pm
by Eggstor
NTDS because recognition is simpler.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:42 pm
by Gunner98
NTDS, once you're used to them they are quite efficient.
B
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:29 am
by ExNusquam
NTDS. I used stylized once and hated it.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:44 am
by Rory Noonan
NTDS all the way.
I have no issue deciphering it, it's quite intuitive.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:55 am
by AlGrant
NTDS all the way! Trained to them, so can't teach an old dog new tricks.
+1
It never even occurs to me to use anything else but NTDS.
The stylized ones just look a bit too 'gamey' to me ... but I did spend 20+ years using the NTDS ones so no great shock there [:)]
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:17 am
by Dysta
High crescent = air
Full circle = land/surface
Low crescent = submerged/underground
With 2 lines = airport/runway/carrier
With 'horns' = VTOL/Rotor
With M = Missile
With T = Torpedo
With T upside down = Fixed buoy/seamine
Easy enough.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:32 am
by Peter66
NTDS for me. I tried stylized and while there's nothing wrong with them I just prefer to use NTDS. Makes it feel more immersive in my opinion.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:48 am
by Filitch
Fully agree with Dysta - NTDS icons are very simple and informative.
I hope - sometimes will ever be able to use Soviet/Russians map symbols.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:06 am
by Coiler12
NTDS.
They just look appropriate somehow.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:31 am
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Fully agree with Dysta - NTDS icons are very simple and informative.
I hope - sometimes will ever be able to use Soviet/Russians map symbols.
This is a modable part of the game. If you have the symbols just replace the images.
M
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:48 am
by Sardaukar
NTDS here too.
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:22 am
by stilesw
I prefer the NTDS/NATO symbols probably due to my military background.
-Wayne
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:00 pm
by Filitch
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Fully agree with Dysta - NTDS icons are very simple and informative.
I hope - sometimes will ever be able to use Soviet/Russians map symbols.
This is a modable part of the game. If you have the symbols just replace the images.
M
This is a modable part of the game. If you have the symbols just replace the images.
I have tried to make it. The main problem is a colors. The Soviet/Russian map symbols have different colors for allies and hostile forces than Western. Allies forces are specified as red color and hostile as blue. CMANO UI uses so named 'bearing line' that shows move direction of the unit. And color of this line is not customisable. So colors of the symbol and line are not matched. SR7 has new feature - directional unit icons. Using of this feature with turning bearing line off - could solve color inconsistency problem. But I don't know how turn this line off (without hacking the application
)
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:04 pm
by Dysta
Maybe we should add even more variety, and slightly bigger icon sizes for directional symbols, that'll be more favorable in customization.
Anyway, this is the only NTDS icons references published in PDF, and summarized in a picture below:
http://cradpdf.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/PDFS/unc68/p528987.pdf (Take your time, there's a LOT to learn!)
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:30 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Filitch
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Fully agree with Dysta - NTDS icons are very simple and informative.
I hope - sometimes will ever be able to use Soviet/Russians map symbols.
This is a modable part of the game. If you have the symbols just replace the images.
M
This is a modable part of the game. If you have the symbols just replace the images.
I have tried to make it. The main problem is a colors. The Soviet/Russian map symbols have different colors for allies and hostile forces than Western. Allies forces are specified as red color and hostile as blue. CMANO UI uses so named 'bearing line' that shows move direction of the unit. And color of this line is not customisable. So colors of the symbol and line are not matched. SR7 has new feature - directional unit icons. Using of this feature with turning bearing line off - could solve color inconsistency problem. But I don't know how turn this line off (without hacking the application
)
Nobody cares if you can hack the application. This childish threat is a guaranteed way to get yourself ignored.
Mike
RE: Map Icons: NTDS/NATO or Stylized?
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:33 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Dysta
Maybe we should add even more variety, and slightly bigger icon sizes for directional symbols, that'll be more favorable in customization.
Anyway, this is the only NTDS icons references published in PDF, and summarized in a picture below:
http://cradpdf.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/PDFS/unc68/p528987.pdf (Take your time, there's a LOT to learn!)
If somebody comes up with a nice looking set we'll be happy to add to the game. Its been done before.
Mike