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Posted: **Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:55 pm**

I'm using the US M4 81mm MMC SP-mortar in a PBEM taking place in 9/49 under H2H. In that game I'm unable to shift their fire; I get a 'shift outside of range' message (like you see with a squad mortar). I tested them in solo battles (various dates) and they behave normally. The battle I'm using them in is GE-SO (I'm the Germans) and allows use of the 'nations' button. Their orders are coming from GE FO's, but even if I have the MMC's order their own missions they still will not shift-fire. Any ideas why this is happening, or solutions?

TIA

Posted: **Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:19 pm**

Well, in my (somewhat limited)experience, assuming the guns are within range and in contact, the observing unit not being close enough to the impact area to actually conduct the adjustments sometimes can be a problem. Have you tried using different units nearer the target to adjust the fire?

Posted: **Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:07 pm**

Tracer, by any chance are you trying to fire at a range of less than 5, the minimum for indirect, IIRC? What happens when you try to shift in 7.1? Is this specific to H2H?

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:24 am**

I've had the same thing happen from time to time, than on the next turn it would shift???!!! Doesn't happen enough to really effect the overall H2H game though

Posted: **Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:06 am**

This is only happening in a current PBEM. When I try to re-create it thru testing the MMC's shift like they're supposed to....but in this battle they're behaving like squad mortars. Perhaps its being caused by some odd combination of forces brought about by use of the 'nations' button.

Posted: **Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:01 am**

Ive had the same thing happen from time to time and have never figured out why!!
chalk it up to fog of war??

Posted: **Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:36 pm**

I get that a lot :rolleyes:

Mostly with GE 81mm mortars, but also other calibers and nations; U.S, Chinese etc.

Does anyone know why?

Posted: **Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:56 pm**

Originally posted by Big Bill
I've had the same thing happen from time to time, than on the next turn it would shift???!!! Doesn't happen enough to really effect the overall H2H game though

In my case they have not been able to shift fire at all; I've tried every turn with no success.

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:37 am**

That happens to me a lot, but only with mortars. It always happens w/ British 2 in. mortars and sometimes with the 3 in.

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2003 4:32 am**

Originally posted by Tutty
That happens to me a lot, but only with mortars. It always happens w/ British 2 in. mortars and sometimes with the 3 in.

That's normal behavior for the 2" mortar...all squad mortars, like the GE 50mm and US 60mm, don't have the ability to shift-fire.

With all non-squad mortars I've always been able to shift their fire if the unit was in contact. Maybe I've just been lucky and haven't encountered this before.